Bye bye EcoDiesel

[rock123]

The ecodiesel is a tried and true Italian marine diesal by VM Motori from what I've researched. One of the best ever made. The only down fall is the emissions system. I bought mine and immediately removed all that emmisions crap. This, by far, is the best Jeep I've owned. 300+ hp 500+ torque and 25mpg on 37s. 60k with just routine maintenance so far. I plan on keeping this one for a long time.

That is quite the statement about the ecodiesel....you make it sound like it's a Toyota engine built in Japan.
The Gen 1/2 EcoDiesel has a generally bad reputation for catastrophic failure due to bearing or bottom end issues. There is a laundry list of issues with Gen 1/2.
The Gen 3 Ecodiesel has a better reputation, but is still plagued by turbo issues, the CP4 and the EGR/DPF/SCR.

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[Mbelden]

That is quite the statement about the ecodiesel....you make it sound like it's a Toyota engine built in Japan.
The Gen 1/2 EcoDiesel has a generally bad reputation for catastrophic failure due to bearing or bottom end issues.
The Gen 3 Ecodiesel has a better reputation, but is still plagued by turbo issues, the CP4 and the EGR/DPF/SCR.

Did not make it sound like a yota motor... at all. Not sure why you made that up in your head? No turbo issues and I just said I removed all the emissions, which makes this a very reliable and powerful vechicle. Fuel pump was replaced under warranty as well.

 

[Chris A]

DPF can’t regen until the engine and exhaust are up to full temperature. This morning temperature was 27 and block heater I started off with coolant and oil quickly reaching 80 deg but after 15 minute trip had only reached 130. I will have similar trip home. This is fine occasionally but if this is your typical trip the DPF will get loaded up. Dealers do not clean DPF just replace it and they don’t seem to understand how to troubleshoot the after treatment system. Highly recommend checking out O’Rileys Autos on YouTube if you have a diesel. I love mine but understanding it and how you use it are a must IMO. High quality diesel fuel is important and too much or no additives work against you.

 

[Chris A]

That is quite the statement about the ecodiesel....you make it sound like it's a Toyota engine built in Japan.
The Gen 1/2 EcoDiesel has a generally bad reputation for catastrophic failure due to bearing or bottom end issues. There is a laundry list of issues with Gen 1/2.
The Gen 3 Ecodiesel has a better reputation, but is still plagued by turbo issues, the CP4 and the EGR/DPF/SCR.

Watch O’Rileys Autos on YouTube. Japanese diesel are some of the most troublesome as I understand his assessment.

 

[rock123]

Did not make it sound like a yota motor... at all. Not sure why you made that up in your head? No turbo issues and I just said I removed all the emissions, which makes this a very reliable and powerful vechicle. Fuel pump was replaced under warranty as well.

"tried and true" and "one of the best ever made" were your words, not mine. Those words usually go with a Japanese engine, not some abandoned platform engineered by VM and Cadillac.

That is great you have that opinion of it- I hope it bucks the generally bad long term history of the Gen 1/2 and it serves you a long time.

 

[Mbelden]

"tried and true" and "one of the best ever made" were your words, not mine. Those words usually go with a Japanese engine, not some abandoned platform engineered by VM and Cadillac.

That is great you have that opinion of it- I hope it bucks the generally bad long term history of the Gen 1/2 and it serves you a long time.

My bad, I was speaking of their history in marine diesal applications. I should've been more clear on that.

 

[bcupton]

Thank you. As a side note, the Wrangler is lifted 4 inches, 37 inch tires, skids, with stock gears. Even with all that I have plenty of power and average 23 mph.

Hence why I opt to buy new. I realize there is no guarantee of future longevity but if I start out new(as new to rolling off the factory as possible) and change the oil < 5K miles and all other fluids at 20k that’s setting me up for success. Yes I know I could be doing unnecessary maintenance but I feel I did my best.

 

[Electrified]

Every single diesel forum I am on, I hear "I love the motor but hate the emissions". You can't separate two because modern diesels are all laden with heavy emissions which have effectively knee capped the reliability of these engines. Yes, you can delete them but who wants to break the law by removing federally mandated equipment and still have other structural issues? I had a 2015 F250 that I eventually had to delete because the DPF was very expensive but I needed that diesel to pull heavy loads at the time. There are plenty of people who have had great luck with the diesels in their Jeeps but bad reputations are earned by actual users of any given product.

 

[ALeeL]

Awesome! Hope you enjoy your new Jeep! Was your Jeep tuned? From all the dynos I have seen, a moderate 50 hp tuned/deleted Ecodiesel makes more torque and hp than the 392 until around 3,700 rpm. I am wondering if it is noticeable once you get your new one.

 

[flick2614]

The Eco Diesel motor is actually a long-running engine developed way back in the early 2000's. The American EPA equipment kills what should be a 300k mile motor.

What most don't know is the motor is actually fairly simple to rebuild. Most European repair shops can bring them damn close to factory condition for under $5k.

Curious on why the Pedal Monster recommendation; does it somehow add to the longevity of the EcoDiesel?

 

[ALeeL]

Curious on why the Pedal Monster recommendation; does it somehow add to the longevity of the EcoDiesel?

It doesn't add to the longevity, but it makes the Wrangler more fun to drive especially for those like myself who prefer a more sensitive throttle. Many modern diesels have a slow ramp up programed into the drive my wire throttle to help reduce emissions. A slower ramp up helps the air stay with the amount of fuel being requested so less soot is created. It makes the vehicle feel slow or sluggish to certain drivers that like to have a more instant reaction to their foot inputs.

If I only drove my Jeep, then I probably wouldn't care. However, after driving my 328d and Cummins on the weekdays, the Jeep feels so sluggish with the stock throttle — even with the 50 hp tune.

 

[flick2614]

It doesn't add to the longevity, but it makes the Wrangler more fun to drive especially for those like myself who prefer a more sensitive throttle. Many modern diesels have a slow ramp up programed into the drive my wire throttle to help reduce emissions. A slower ramp up helps the air stay with the amount of fuel being requested so less soot is created. It makes the vehicle feel slow or sluggish to certain drivers that like to have a more instant reaction to their foot inputs.

If I only drove my Jeep, then I probably wouldn't care. However, after driving my 328d and Cummins on the weekdays, the Jeep feels so sluggish with the stock throttle — even with the 50 hp tune.

Got it. How does that translate in 4lo? With the stock throttle I'm getting whiplash just looking at the go pedal in 4lo. Usually have to upshift a lot and still have a pretty shit ride.

 

[ALeeL]

Got it. How does that translate in 4lo? With the stock throttle I'm getting whiplash just looking at the go pedal in 4lo. Usually have to upshift a lot and still have a pretty shit ride.

In 4-low I put it in Eco mode which makes the throttle less responsive to input than stock. It works very well. I have the app on my phone so it is just a push of a button.

 

[Mbelden]

I have a pedal monster and derringer. They're both still in the jeep but not used because of delete.

 

[ngie]

I run a stock 2020 JL with a 3.0L EcoDiesel. It's fine, but I don't make an effort to punch the pedal, unless I have to getting on the highway. I tend to get 26mpg on the low end and 28mpg on the high end as long as I'm not city driving (city driving eats through my fuel economy a ton). I do have to punch it hard to go up hills on dirt roads, but it's happy to comply when I push down on the pedal. The only thing that really sucks about the diesel is how much DEF I go through since I tend to go up and over mountain passes a lot.
It has a lot more oomph than the 2000 the Jetta diesel I used to have. Fun to drive -- just sucks how much diesel costs where I live and that the engines aren't tuned to accept more than 20% biodiesel.

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