Actual 392 Cost Difference

[stumblinhorse]

I’m pretty sure you’re not correct.

starting on the ‘21 model year, all rubicons have an off-road+ button next to the locker swtiches, being in this mode allows rear locker engagement in 4hi. This is available on all rubicons except the 4xe, which does not have the off-road plus button.

Here is one of many threads discussing it
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/way-to-engage-lockers-in-4-hi.79611/

Yes, off road plus rubicons. All rubicons 2021 and newer. Or all 392s

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[Bzinsky]

Yes, off road plus rubicons. All rubicons 2021 and newer. Or all 392s

You and the article just said the wrangler 392 is the only wrangler that can engage the rear axle lock in 4hi.

that is incorrect

I just provided a thread of diesel rubicon jl’s discussing they have the feature

 

[stumblinhorse]

You and the article just said the wrangler 392 is the only wrangler that can engage the rear axle lock in 4hi.

that is incorrect

I just provided a thread of diesel rubicon jl’s discussing they have the feature

You said “rubicons”. There’s a few of them before 2021. No 392s. So we are both right or both wrong.

 

[Bzinsky]

You said “rubicons”. There’s a few of them before 2021. No 392s. So we are both right or both wrong.

Yes I said every rubicon, as in every rubicon on sale, as in every rubicon engine option, as in every new rubicon you can buy.

You are arguing semantics and can’t admit you made a blatantly false statement

 

[stumblinhorse]

Yes I said every rubicon, as in every rubicon on sale, as in every rubicon engine option, as in every new rubicon you can buy.

You are arguing semantics and can’t admit you made a blatantly false statement

If you say so. That article was written when only 392s were known to allow lockers in 4hi. When I bought my 392 it was known as the only rubicon that could use lockers in 4hi. Now off road plus is new rubicons. looks like you are trying to push an argument here but you are not going to get one from me.

I here by state all things I post on forums are blatantly false. Don’t listen to anything I say. Is that better? I certainly feel better.

 

[Bzinsky]

If you say so. That article was written when only 392s were known to allow lockers in 4hi. When I bought my 392 it was known as the only rubicon that could use lockers in 4hi. Now off road plus is new rubicons. looks like you are trying to push an argument here but you are not going to get one from me.

I here by state all things I post on forums are blatantly false. Don’t listen to anything I say. Is that better? I certainly feel better.

Or how about “whoops, didn’t know that”

just shocked you not only corrected me, but when found out your correction was not true, you make up all these reasons why its ok to be wrong

 

[falcon241073]

Wasn’t the 392 introduced in the 2021 year model? If so, then it and all rubicons from 2021 on have had the ability to Lock the rear in 4hi. Except the 4xe I guess. So saying the 392 is the only one is wrong, period. Since it’s inception all other rubicons had the same feature.

But I could be wrong. I read it on the internet. Nevermind my 2021 with a 2.0l that was made in February of 2021 has this feature.

 

[Ten4Jeep]

Don't know where this math comes from....optioned out the same for me yields a $25k difference.

It's a little tricky, because you have to pay attention to packages and making sure that you have identical options between the two. One example of something that can be overlooked is to make sure and include the "Trailer-Tow and Heavy-Duty Electrical Group ($995)" on your Rubi build as the 392 comes with that standard. But you then have to add the "Trailer Tow Package ($350)" to the 392 build to make sure that both builds have identical trailering options.

For true apples-to-apples, you must include the "Xtreme Recon Package" as well because it's the only way to get the bead-lock capable wheels on the Rubi build.

I did a regular Rubi build and a 392 build. I did it two ways. One I did as non-XR, and then one with XR. I also used the 2023 model build. Here's the numbers I came up with.

XR Build
392=$85,935
Rub=$68,995
diff= $(16,940)

Non-XR Build
392=$81,940
Rub=$65,000
diff= $(16,940) Note: you lose the bead-lock capable wheels on the Rubi with this build

Fun, Fun, Fun ?

 

[BXFXJeep]

there you go, twisting things again. My past comments were referring to the 4xe hybrid drivetrain being quirky/jerky ?, not the suspension or interior comfort. It was my wife’s comment that it felt like a golf cart?.

Not making up anything, only my personal observations, of which you are clearly too sensitive. I have already apologized if your feelings were hurt, that was not my intention.

nothing strange about renting a 4xe for the info we need. We are wanting to see what the hardtop JLUR is like on long highway stints, which can be achieved with any of the drivetrain choices. The 4xe on Turo was actually one of the cheaper ones to rent as well? Also, as we are not sure what drive mode the 4xe was in during our short test drive, we wanted to give it another chance “not” to drive like a golf cart?


Buying vehicles is rarely an investment, but resale is always part of the equation, unless you flat out don’t care about money. Sorry, I’m not that rich or stupid with my money.

It's not about being sensitive, you are outright spreading misinformation about the 4xe platform.

You jump on every single 4xe thread spewing blatant idiotic claims.

And repeatedly talking about resale value.

And people will repeat that idiotic crap when negotiating to buy a used 4xe when we put it on the market.

Now you claim you don't know what drive mode you were in, but non of the modes behave the way you or your wife describe, there was a 1 time poster that made that idiotic claim a while back, which leads me to believe you are reading nonsense and regurgitating wholesale.

Seems the common theme with people that do not know what they are doing is to slam on the accelerator, and expect a certain behavior, because yes, people buy a Wrangler to slam on the accelerator.

 

[2nd 392]

Also

It's a little tricky, because you have to pay attention to packages and making sure that you have identical options between the two. One example of something that can be overlooked is to make sure and include the "Trailer-Tow and Heavy-Duty Electrical Group ($995)" on your Rubi build as the 392 comes with that standard. But you then have to add the "Trailer Tow Package ($350)" to the 392 build to make sure that both builds have identical trailering options.

For true apples-to-apples, you must include the "Xtreme Recon Package" as well because it's the only way to get the bead-lock capable wheels on the Rubi build.

I did a regular Rubi build and a 392 build. I did it two ways. One I did as non-XR, and then one with XR. I also used the 2023 model build. Here's the numbers I came up with.

XR Build
392=$85,935
Rub=$68,995
diff= $(16,940)

Non-XR Build
392=$81,940
Rub=$65,000
diff= $(16,940) Note: you lose the bead-lock capable wheels on the Rubi with this build

Fun, Fun, Fun ?

. Also lose the lift, but what I find interesting is my Apr 21 build comparison with the diesel ( XR NA) was about half your difference. Diesel isn’t an $8K option, so have 392 prices increased at a higher rate???‍

 

[Shark01]

It's a little tricky, because you have to pay attention to packages and making sure that you have identical options between the two. One example of something that can be overlooked is to make sure and include the "Trailer-Tow and Heavy-Duty Electrical Group ($995)" on your Rubi build as the 392 comes with that standard. But you then have to add the "Trailer Tow Package ($350)" to the 392 build to make sure that both builds have identical trailering options.

For true apples-to-apples, you must include the "Xtreme Recon Package" as well because it's the only way to get the bead-lock capable wheels on the Rubi build.

I did a regular Rubi build and a 392 build. I did it two ways. One I did as non-XR, and then one with XR. I also used the 2023 model build. Here's the numbers I came up with.

XR Build
392=$85,935
Rub=$68,995
diff= $(16,940)

Non-XR Build
392=$81,940
Rub=$65,000
diff= $(16,940) Note: you lose the bead-lock capable wheels on the Rubi with this build

Fun, Fun, Fun ?

OK, if the 392 comes with stuff I wouldn't pay extra for, I would not see a reason to add it to the Rubicon, like the tow thing. Still alot of difference between the two.

 

[Ten4Jeep]

It's not about being sensitive, you are outright spreading misinformation about the 4xe platform.

You jump on every single 4xe thread spewing blatant idiotic claims.

And repeatedly talking about resale value.

And people will repeat that idiotic crap when negotiating to buy a used 4xe when we put it on the market.

Now you claim you don't know what drive mode you were in, but non of the modes behave the way you or your wife describe, there was a 1 time poster that made that idiotic claim a while back, which leads me to believe you are reading nonsense and regurgitating wholesale.

Seems the common theme with people that do not know what they are doing is to slam on the accelerator, and expect a certain behavior, because yes, people buy a Wrangler to slam on the accelerator.

Not a single blatant claim from me...only first person observations

resale value is important I think, at least to most?‍

for someone who who does not worry about resale, you sure seem upset that anything I have written will affect yours

do not know of this "1 time poster" you refer to, just know what "we" experienced. Like I said, we are about to have a nice 3-day drive with the 4xe Rubi, which should give us a better opportunity to experience all its nuances

 

[Ten4Jeep]

OK, if the 392 comes with stuff I wouldn't pay extra for, I would not see a reason to add it to the Rubicon, like the tow thing. Still alot of difference between the two.

Yes, good points? However, there are those that will purchase completely loaded JLU Rubicons, that will pay ~$16K less than adding the 392 upgrade.

One of the main reasons I posted this thread was to help those, like myself, to discern true apples-to-apples cost comparison between 392 and regular Rubi. There were so many threads throwing around big numbers like $30K "for just 95 more horsepower", LOL!! There was even some estimates pushing $40K difference

Point is, you can configure a wrangler in many different ways depending on your intended purposes. But a true price-point is only determined when you scrutinize "exactly" what is included in those configurations.

So for the guy or gal who wants a fully loaded JLUR and is wondering what the cost difference is to upgrade to the 392 and all that comes with it, it's roughly $16K. And from some of the comments I'm seeing, the price delta is even slimmer than I have posted

I did allot of searching through this forum months back and saw so many figures that were not really apples-to-apples comparisons. That you-tube video was very helpful... so thought I would share?

 

[Deleted member 59498]

I think the problem for me is I don't need every option, my Rubicon with diesel was 52, so more like 30+ difference for me to make the jump. If you are going to get every option then yeah I can see the 16k difference. If you are trying to justify it then well go for it!

 

[BXFXJeep]

Not a single blatant claim from me...only first person observations

resale value is important I think, at least to most?‍

for someone who who does not worry about resale, you sure seem upset that anything I have written will affect yours

do not know of this "1 time poster" you refer to, just know what "we" experienced. Like I said, we are about to have a nice 3-day drive with the 4xe Rubi, which should give us a better opportunity to experience all its nuances

Resale value is very important to you, yet you see it fit to spread negative nonsense about other Wranglers.

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