2023 refresh?

[Odyssey USA]

I think proximity locks, larger touch screen, more electrical power and connections to access it, better seats (though I think my Sahara cloth are more comfortable than my Rubicon leather seats), & interior trim changes are most likely. Maybe they’ll partner with Gaia GPS to be able to access and navigate trails that are publicly visible akin to what I thought I heard about navigable trails displayed in the Bronco. Is that correct?

Oh, and a factory installed winch with a different bumper might be doable as an option.

And where is the Mojave Wrangler?

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[YukonCornelius]

This “mid-cycle” refresh banter cracks me up! In 80 years they did one major interior refresh outside of redesign, it happened to be the JK and “happened“ to be in middle of a model run. If Jeep decided to run the JL for 12, 15, heck even 20 years, mid-cycle is a long way off… and of course, isn’t “mid-cycle” until we know the end of the JL run from 2018 until the end, and then “half” the years.

Jeep will most likely only do technology advancements and safety improvements over the next few years, especially given the economic climate today.

Next year, you’ll probably see Uconnect 5, new paint (as usual) new wheels (as usual) and new special editions (as usual)

Given the issues with Uconnect 5, I’ll keep my issue-plagued Uconnect 4…. for now.

 

[gato]

Most of this and better brakes can be accomplished today with better quality components than we'll ever get from Jeep -- and probably for less money than it would cost coming from Jeep as we approach double-digit inflation.
- I already have wireless charging via a phone mount attached to my 67 Designs system. It's rock solid and I can position my phone where I want it.
- My flat-bottom skid plate system was made by Artec -- covers everything in super-hard and slippery aluminum at a net weight gain of only 10 pounds
- I run 37" tires with only a MOPAR lift. Add some Falcon shocks and VOILA!
- A regear and axel swap is on the near horizon; I'm not rock crawling with 400 hp, so I don't need Dana 50s
- I just installed Alcon Brakes. Still bedding them in, but the difference is already noticeable. (Jeep has never valued braking as much as I do, and I don't expect that to change -- because Jeep consumers don't value brakes - even here).

I'd love the improved range that comes with improved fuel economy, but it's also nice to have an engine that's been around long enough to inspire confidence.

I've had my 2019 for just under three years, and I've been pouring money into it at a crazy rate -- and I'm still behind the cost curve of the newly emerging latest wranglers. Assuming inflation doesn't climb over 7%, and I think that's optimistic, one more year could turn a $65,000 MSRP into $69,550, and another year after that it's $74,418. I'd rather be selecting and buying the components I want now, because I know I'm making better choices than the Jeep marketing team.

If you have the money to pay tomorrow's jeep prices today, you're better off finding the color you want and taking your new Jeep to a great shop, like Lyft Offroad in Glenwood, Colorado, and asking them to build your dream jeep. (They're always working on a couple $200,000 dream Jeeps for Aspen billionaires, but they do lower cost builds for regular folks too.)

Bro, I too have 37s and Artec and Mopar+ lift. And a bunch of other mods.

We are all playing warranty roulette. If you have a problem with your fuel tank the dealer will not drop those Artec skids to fix it. If you have a problem with your engine/transmission Jeep may deny the claim because they can say skids retained heat. If your bearings, ball joints, steering fails, they will blame it on your 37s.

You simply can not compare a factory stock vehicle and full warranty, with one with a bunch of aftermarket stuff and questionable warranty. It's a fools errand.

Also, let me know how much you have spent on all your aftermarket stuff, including professional installation (which many people would need).

 

[Steph1]

What I suspect, is a 12 inch screen as you suggest, havent heard about a new engine. Greater e range on the 4Xe and wider flares instead of those little lip on the XR package. Other than that, maybe 35s standard on the Rubi and 37s on the XR.

of course, Mums the word cause they don’t t want people holding off, but would rather see you buy a 2022 and then trade again soon to get the new goodies. I am quite certain new colors that people complain about being discontinued will make a come-back, just in case the new goodies arent enough to manipulate you.

 

[Whaler27]

I know, I do miss it on my 392. There's just a lot of music you can't get on I-Tunes and I have a killer CD collection. I guess I'll have to hunt around for a plug-in portable CD player, but they never seem to be as good as the factory installed ones.

I spent a few nights of football-watching feeding my CDs into my computer. Now they're all accessible on my phone. Now I can play from the iPhone using my playlists, by CD title, or by streaming Pandora. Much more convenient, and my iPhone doesn't care about dust. When we get to camp I turn off the jeep, set up the Oontz Bluetooth speaker, and keep on streaming. I'm an old guy, and pretty low-tech, but this is MUCH easier than fussing with CDs, especially on the trail -- and CDs that live in a dirty jeep will eventually get trashed.

Bro, I too have 37s and Artec and Mopar+ lift. And a bunch of other mods.

We are all playing warranty roulette. If you have a problem with your fuel tank the dealer will not drop those Artec skids to fix it. If you have a problem with your engine/transmission Jeep may deny the claim because they can say skids retained heat. If your bearings, ball joints, steering fails, they will blame it on your 37s.

You simply can not compare a factory stock vehicle and full warranty, with one with a bunch of aftermarket stuff and questionable warranty. It's a fools errand.

Also, let me know how much you have spent on all your aftermarket stuff, including professional installation (which many people would need).

You raise a perfectly valid point, but I'm less concerned about protecting the warranty than I used to be. I have a decent dealer and the Magnuson-Morris Warranty Act on my side, and I try to make sensible, balanced modifications. I also favor options that get me most of what I want while minimizing warranty risk -- like the dealer-installed MOPAR lift, for example. (My brother went with a superior Teraflex lift.) There is still some risk, of course, but not much -- at least not too much for me.

If I have a fuel tank problem, which I've had only twice in 44 years of owning many 4-wheel vehicles and boats (once in a truck, and once in a boat), I'll slide under the Jeep and drop the Artec skid panels. That would take me 30 minutes, at most.

I'm not seeing any evidence of heat build up from the Artec skid plating. Are you?

I gather your experience has been different, but in a lifetime of owning Jeeps and pickups, I've never had ball joints, bearings, or steering components fail within the warranty window, and I have been installing lifts and larger tires on trucks since 1979. (I know the JL steering box has been replaced for many under warranty, with and without 37" tires, but I can definitely imagine one of the crappy dealers denying a warranty claim on that component due to potentially accelerated wear from bigger tires.)

I bought three Jeep CJs between early 1977 and late 1983. I shopped for a new CJ in 85, but there were rumors of a new model coming, so I held off. What eventually arrived was the Wrangler YJ, which I instantly hated. I didn't buy another new Jeep until the TJ arrived about ten years later. I still wish I'd bought one of the last CJs and kept it. I don't wait for the latest and greatest anymore. You never know what's going to land -- or when it's going to land.

Every choice is a balancing of risk vs. benefit. I've grown comfortable with the fact that Jeep is not going to build exactly what I want. That's okay with me, because I enjoy the build process.

Total cost in my Jeep? Dunno, yet, but many of the more expensive modifications for my lifestyle would have to be done no matter what Jeep delivers -- like the Rhino rack, winch, ARB compressor, SPOD, lights, 67 Designs system, second set of five wheels and studded tires for winter use, and so on. I bought a Rubicon with every option I found except leather, which I deleted in order to install the thicker Katzkin leather I prefer. My out-the-door price was in the mid forties. My state doesn't have sales tax, and I look for sales on the stuff I want, but I think the recent purchase of Alcon brakes pushed my total for the Jeep and parts close to $90,000. (But if you take off the the overlanding stuff, extra wheels and tires, and specialty items it's closer to $70,000 -- with upgraded components that are much better than Jeep will install.) I do most of my own bolt-and-play work, because I enjoy it. (I don't do the stuff that takes talent, like swapping gears. I leave that to the pros.)

 

[Hearhear]

I spent a few nights of football-watching feeding my CDs into my computer. Now they're all accessible on my phone. Now I can play from the iPhone using my playlists, by CD title, or by streaming Pandora. Much more convenient, and my iPhone doesn't care about dust. When we get to camp I turn off the jeep, set up the Oontz Bluetooth speaker, and keep on streaming. I'm an old guy, and pretty low-tech, but this is MUCH easier than fussing with CDs, especially on the trail -- and CDs that live in a dirty jeep will eventually get trashed.

You raise a perfectly valid point, but I'm less concerned about protecting the warranty than I used to be. I have a decent dealer and the Magnuson-Morris Warranty Act on my side, and I try to make sensible, balanced modifications. I also favor options that get me most of what I want while minimizing warranty risk -- like the dealer-installed MOPAR lift, for example. (My brother went with a superior Teraflex lift.) There is still some risk, of course, but not much -- at least not too much for me.

If I have a fuel tank problem, which I've had only twice in 44 years of owning many 4-wheel vehicles and boats (once in a truck, and once in a boat), I'll slide under the Jeep and drop the Artec skid panels. That would take me 30 minutes, at most.

I'm not seeing any evidence of heat build up from the Artec skid plating. Are you?

I gather your experience has been different, but in a lifetime of owning Jeeps and pickups, I've never had ball joints, bearings, or steering components fail within the warranty window, and I have been installing lifts and larger tires on trucks since 1979. (I know the JL steering box has been replaced for many under warranty, with and without 37" tires, but I can definitely imagine one of the crappy dealers denying a warranty claim on that component due to potentially accelerated wear from bigger tires.)

I bought three Jeep CJs between early 1977 and late 1983. I shopped for a new CJ in 85, but there were rumors of a new model coming, so I held off. What eventually arrived was the Wrangler YJ, which I instantly hated. I didn't buy another new Jeep until the TJ arrived about ten years later. I still wish I'd bought one of the last CJs and kept it. I don't wait for the latest and greatest anymore. You never know what's going to land -- or when it's going to land.

Every choice is a balancing of risk vs. benefit. I've grown comfortable with the fact that Jeep is not going to build exactly what I want. That's okay with me, because I enjoy the build process.

Total cost in my Jeep? Dunno, yet, but many of the more expensive modifications for my lifestyle would have to be done no matter what Jeep delivers -- like the Rhino rack, winch, ARB compressor, SPOD, lights, 67 Designs system, second set of five wheels and studded tires for winter use, and so on. I bought a Rubicon with every option I found except leather, which I deleted in order to install the thicker Katzkin leather I prefer. My out-the-door price was in the mid forties. My state doesn't have sales tax, and I look for sales on the stuff I want, but I think the recent purchase of Alcon brakes pushed my total for the Jeep and parts close to $90,000. (But if you take off the the overlanding stuff, extra wheels and tires, and specialty items it's closer to $70,000 -- with upgraded components that are much better than Jeep will install.) I do most of my own bolt-and-play work, because I enjoy it. (I don't do the stuff that takes talent, like swapping gears. I leave that to the pros.)

Wow can you briefly describe how you put your CD’s on your I Phone? What’s the process in a nutshell? Thanks

 

[NYJeepGuy]

IF you are wanting a Wrangler, just buy one. Just get the least complicated one as possible.

I agree. Just ordered a 2 door JL Rubicon with a manual. Only options are a hard top and LED lights. You could spend another $30k on a Jeep, but I don’t think you’d get that much more enjoyment out of it.

 

[Whaler27]

Wow can you briefly describe how you put your CD’s on your I Phone? What’s the process in a nutshell? Thanks

I used iTunes and my laptop. I opened iTunes, set it up to download music, and fed CD after CD into the laptop to build my music library for our iPods, back when people used iPods. That was about ten years ago. My music library has been stored in the cloud ever since, so every time I replace my iPhone the music is automatically downloaded to it.

When I finished downloading all my music I started loading my kids CDs, and then my 85 year old mom’s CDs. In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t done that, as I now have about 700 songs I really don’t want, and With the laptop long gone I have no idea how to get rid of them.

 

[Whaler27]

I agree. Just ordered a 2 door JL Rubicon with a manual. Only options are a hard top and LED lights. You could spend another $30k on a Jeep, but I don’t think you’d get that much more enjoyment out of it.

I wish I had the budget and the space to buy a two-door just like this. I wouldn‘t unwind the choices I’ve made for the jeep I have, but there’s a lot to be said for a simple two-door Jeep you can park and hike from without worrying about it getting stripped or stolen (because most of the current generation can’t drive a stick).

 

[gato]

I'm not seeing any evidence of heat build up from the Artec skid plating. Are you?

I know we are way off-topic, but to answer your question. Not 100% sure. I have 3 potential issues with Artec (which is an awesome product by the way):

1 - I had ton of electrical issues that I traced together with the dealer tec after 2 tries to a hiring harness by the transmission that was chaffed and/or melted (looked more chaffed). I think it was a faulty design by Jeep to have a mostly unprotected CAN BUS C harness (the important bus) near sharp/hot areas. Could the Artec skids have contributed to that? Possibly, but I don't think so. I do suggest you keep an eye out for that harness bundle. Maybe put more protective tape proactively.

2 - On the passenger side the fuel line hangs precariously in a vulnerable position. I know of at least one member here who had that fuel line fail dumping fuel after the Artec install. I'm still pondering solutions. Right now I have a Mickey Mouse velco strap anchoring it. The factory skid has a dedicated bracket to support the fuel line and more thoroughly protects the line and the side of the tank. I think that is a potential disaster area of concern.

3 - This past week I had a weird/funny thing happened. Weather got warm (40s) for a few hours, and I went though a car wash and parked outside. It got super cold (single digits) very quickly after I parked. Next morning I drove to the gym and had this clunk every time I braked to a stop and accelerated from a stop. I even stopped a few times. I go to the gym and when I come back there is this big piece of ice under the Jeep with the count ours of the exhaust/skid. Funniest thing. Made me laugh as I didn't have to spend the cold day under the Jeep. Not sure if Artec contributed to the condensation/water accumulation.

Point is, even great products have unintended side effects. There is no after market part (save for some tires and brakes) that have been engineered and tested to OEM standards. None.

 

[Gemball2018]

I just wish they would fix the front defrost system so I can actually drive in the winter in Canada. I have the work around hack, but come on.

 

[Billkowski]

I haven't seen/heard anything about "leaky 3.6" until now. Is this really a widespread issue, or just a few cases that have been enthusiastically reported by a tiny minority of E-torque 3.6 owners?

Had my 3.6 etorque for over a year, works great, so smooth I dont even notice it has start/stop

 

[Odyssey USA]

Had my 3.6 etorque for over a year, works great, so smooth I dont even notice it has start/stop

Yeah, if I was forced to keep it on, the eTorque beats the regular ESS in smoothness and restarting speed. I’ve had both.

 

[Bryce]

I don't see a larger display in the current dash layout. We have a 5th Gen Explorer with the shitty My Ford Touch system. This system didnt have knobs and buttons and replaced the radio and hvac controls with soft buttons. People lost thier shit and eventually, physical knobs and buttons came back.

I'm not sure if there's enough room in the current dash to add a larger screen and keep buttons and knobs like the Ram trucks have.

I sure hope they don't try doing one of the stoopid displays that look like an afterthought with an iPad glued to the dash that seems to be popular.

 

[flyer92]

Had my 3.6 etorque for over a year, works great, so smooth I dont even notice it has start/stop

I've had a positive experience with mine as well, which is why I was surprised to hear about the leaks. Given the lack of discussion here, perhaps it was just an isolated incident. Let's hope so!

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