2 DOOR JL build/order discussions master thread

[IMBlu]

I went back and looked at your most recent posts, and other than this one, I think you've got pretty reliable information on timing. The Reddit info is proving the most accurate since that is straight from the factory and you were told that you should enter framing on May 11. That was based on your current gateline number, which is a quantifiable measure as opposed to an unsupported date. You wrote that this afternoon's call to Jeep resulted in an estimated ship date of May 12, which is consistent since it takes two to three days to get through the build.

Now's a good time to talk about the meaning of estimated ship date since it definitely doesn't mean the date it gets put on a truck to your dealer. Again, going through the Reddit posts and other dealer/FCA posts on this forum, I infer that "ship" refers to the date that the build is complete and leaves, or is shipped out of the factory.

However, it's still in Toledo. Inspections may reveal quality issues that are dealt with in a separate repair shop. Depending on the model and options, it may go to a local third party for specific add-ons (e.g. headliners, decals). Once past that, it is sent to the transport lot that is run by another third party. They are the ones responsible for scheduling the shipments and arranging transport within guidelines set by FCA.

When you finally get your vehicle is dependent on location and method of shipment. If you are close to Toledo, like Sweet Water, it will get loaded on a truck and you could see it in days. For most, the destination is far enough away that it travels by rail. Then you are dependent on there being enough vehicles going to the same distribution point to fill the necessary rail cars. Once on the rails, the cars may sit in yards waiting to be passed off from one railroad to another. When they get to a distribution point, they can again sit until they are transloaded to trucks that may go straight to the dealer or may go to another intermediate yard.

This is convoluted, but from what I can see, 3 weeks for delivery after the "ship" date seems nominal if you look at destinations nation-wide. There are many examples of it being less, but as we know from this forum, some have waited six weeks or more. Being in Canada, I'll be surprised if I see my JLR within four weeks after the "ship" date which is now around May 1.

Bottom line, don't be discouraged. You're near the finish line compared to where you started and you'll likely get yours before I get mine. BTW, we're build brothers since we have the same 1-8 order date and were both initially assigned the same 4-28 ship date.

Thank you for your input. Real information that gives me hope. I’ll follow to see if my ship date of May 30 holds, so I might get my jeep in June. That would be sweet!

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[pianomankd]

UGGGGHHHHHHH

I'm not gonna lie, I was looking at 4-Door JL options this evening on my local Jeep dealer websites. Interestingly, none of the dealer lot JL models have the Alpine stereo package in them.

 

[keda69]

Thats a good point, do we have any lawyers here? lets get a class action lawsuit going to compel fca to build our 2 drs asap!

 

[Mordin Solus]

UGGGGHHHHHHH

I'm not gonna lie, I was looking at 4-Door JL options this evening on my local Jeep dealer websites. Interestingly, none of the dealer lot JL models have the Alpine stereo package in them.

Thought about a four door but.... nah sticking to my guns here. Besides I rather take delivery in early to mid June, only ordered 6 weeks ago expecting it to take awhile. Still... get a bit antsy as the days go by.

 

[Vintage]

UGGGGHHHHHHH

I'm not gonna lie, I was looking at 4-Door JL options this evening on my local Jeep dealer websites. Interestingly, none of the dealer lot JL models have the Alpine stereo package in them.

ME TOO!!!! Great minds think a like - there are a million JL 4drs on the lots in Texas BUT I just can't do it because it is rewarding FCA for bad behavior.

 

[biTToe]

It has EVERYTHING to do with capitalism: make the most profit possible.

Ok, and perhaps your expectations have not been met. Neither have mine FWIW

Really? Show me yours! I mean the part where it states a delivered-by date.

What you have is a contact to purchase a specific vehicle, and you made a partial payment, in good faith, to ensure delivery of said vehicle. If they fail to deliver you would be entitled to you deposit back.

Did you really just say that?
I don't think you understand how capitalism works: deliver a product, make money.

And if 1,000 people want X and 100 people want Y(and Y also has a lower profit margin) which one would you build first?

Non-refundable? Let's ask some of those who've already cancelled and been refunded

Again, REALLY? Because that's exactly what they've done.

Of course you're not going into the "legal details" because it would be moot. They can justify a delay every which way to Tuesday, and from a business standpoint they would be (and are) reasonable.

So you have two choices: pull up your big-girl panties and wait like the rest of us; complain to your dealer that these "unforseen" delays are unreasonable and you would like your order cancelled and your deposit returned.

Now, don't expect them to smile and just hand you your money back, they are salesmen and they don't want to lose the sale (not YOUR sale btw, they could give a shit about YOU or me for that matter). They aren't going to make it easy, but they aren't going to make you take them to court for it either.

 

[biTToe]

Right, and if a reasonable alert of time has passed you would be entitled to cancel without consequence -as many have. No harm, no foul.

As for capitalism: theory is great, but as is often the case, theory and reality are the same in theory, but quite different in reality.

FCA want to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible, and if that means alienating a small percentage of buyers to meet that goal so be it. Is it nice? No
But to deny that it's capitalism is an error.
IMHO

 

[Jimac]

Thought about a four door but.... nah sticking to my guns here. Besides I rather take delivery in early to mid June, only ordered 6 weeks ago expecting it to take awhile. Still... get a bit antsy as the days go by.

Getting real antsy ordered 14 weeks ago and still D

 

[biTToe]

I'm not saying the definition is wrong -in theory. I'm saying it's just not the whole story. I'm saying that when you put your definition up against the reality of corporations, there is a disconnect between your theory and the reality of how those corporations make money.

Capitalism also has a dark side (the human element -absent in your definition) one which values profit over the greater good, including workers, natural resources, etc... Now you may wish to define this as greed and define it as wholly separate from capitalism, but then I would argue that capitalism really only exists in theory.

It's like Newton's theory of gravitation: it's beautiful; it's elegant; it's not wrong, per se, but it isn't exactly correct either.

But again, I will ask: if 1,000 people want X (i.e., jlu) and 100 people want Y (i.e., jl -and Y also has a lower profit margin) which one would you build first?

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