Jeep Support For 4xe Post Cancellation

[Bayrat]

Perhaps when it gets to the worst case it will be HEMI time?

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[DCamp]

Now that all 4xe's have been cancelled, how committed will Jeep be to keeping service techs trained and available to work on these? I think the dealership where I typically go supposedly has two. I have read posts on the forms where folks have complained that a service department they go to says they don't have any. If there is a shortage of these "electric" techs now, what can we expect in the future as it is really of no benefit to Jeep anymore.

They are still making electric vehicles. They stopped making plug in hybrids because of issues.

 

[Hootbro]

The real question is, with an ‘unlimited mile battery warranty’ will they have parts to support that warranty? Will EPA force them to fix the vehicles? NHTSA? Anybody?

When costs to repair exceed the vehicles value, they will cut a check for the vehicles value to you and consider their obligation closed.

 

[Hazelwood7]

Unlimited miles and years for the battery. They will be stuck with the 4xe for a long time. I think at some point they will try to buy are 4xe's back. 12k for a battery and replacement costs. I have one replaced already and I look forward to getting a new battery ever couple of years, Stallantis will be taking a bath.

 

[Casaflyr]

Unlimited miles and years for the battery. They will be stuck with the 4xe for a long time. I think at some point they will try to buy are 4xe's back. 12k for a battery and replacement costs. I have one replaced already and I look forward to getting a new battery ever couple of years, Stallantis will be taking a bath.

I guess I don't care which way it happens. Keep supporting, or buy me out for a fair price. I like the vehicle, it's perfect for me and my small town. I just know I've made a fairly large investment, and I'd like to either get fair value or be able to drive it for some time into the future.

 

[Ol’ Timey Manual SWB Guy]

1.) These things have significant warranties. It’s not because Stellantis (or GM, or BMW, or Toyota, or Ford, or whomever) are super-double-extra-nice, and they feel like honoring warranties. It’s because lawmakers generally — and CARB in particular — don’t want a million hybrids to become quite heavy ICE vehicles late in their lifecycle. Mine will be under warranty until like 2033, for example.

2.) Stellantis might consider regoinalizing (PH)EV specialized service, the way Tesla and Rivian have, and the way delivery fleets have (some of which are also Rivian). This approach would be particularly easy due to how darn towable these JLs are. Want fog lights replaced? That’s your local CDJR dealer. Have a traction battery anomaly? That gets couriered over to the regional center.

I’m not worried. And PHEVs aren’t going away, because regen > friction braking and EV-torque > ICE-torque.

 

[Casaflyr]

I'm mildly worried that PHEVs are going away. The US doesn't seem to understand them: Not quite an EV, not quite a true hybrid, and in general they cost more and are far more complicated than either.

 

[BXFXJeep]

I'm mildly worried that PHEVs are going away. The US doesn't seem to understand them: Not quite an EV, not quite a true hybrid, and in general they cost more and are far more complicated than either.

The problem with PHEVs and even EVs is directly related to the massive government subsidies, especially the 4xe, people buy them because they are cheaper than the gasser.

The complaints with the 4xe operability is basically like complaining, why can't I use gasoline in my diesel car, that is basically the majority of the complaints, and it's because the government subsidies lop $200-$300+ off monthly 4xe payments.

There is nothing complicated about the PHEV, and it should have always been a premium offering, not something for the masses.

Luckily it appears the non big 3 manufacturers are staying the PHEV course.

A lot of the same people are also now crying about depreciation.

 

[Casaflyr]

The problem with PHEVs and even EVs is directly related to the massive government subsidies, especially the 4xe, people buy them because they are cheaper than the gasser.

The complaints with the 4xe operability is basically like complaining, why can't I use gasoline in my diesel car, that is basically the majority of the complaints, and it's because the government subsidies lop $200-$300+ off monthly 4xe payments.

There is nothing complicated about the PHEV, and it should have always been a premium offering, not something for the masses.

Luckily it appears the non big 3 manufacturers are staying the PHEV course.

A lot of the same people are also now crying about depreciation.

Dont' get me wrong, I'm satisfied with my PHEV, not so satisfied with Jeep. Maybe complicated isn't the right word. They are very different than any ICE, hybrid, or EV: No alternator, electric motor for regen, electric motor for propulsion along with ice motor for propulsion both running through a transmission and in the case of the Jeep a transfer case, two batteries or maybe three batteries, FORM, algorithm that decides which source of propulsion...

But if you understand all of these things and that a PHEV is what it is, and where it works best, they're great.

 

[DCamp]

The problem with PHEVs and even EVs is directly related to the massive government subsidies, especially the 4xe, people buy them because they are cheaper than the gasser.

The complaints with the 4xe operability is basically like complaining, why can't I use gasoline in my diesel car, that is basically the majority of the complaints, and it's because the government subsidies lop $200-$300+ off monthly 4xe payments.

There is nothing complicated about the PHEV, and it should have always been a premium offering, not something for the masses.

Luckily it appears the non big 3 manufacturers are staying the PHEV course.

A lot of the same people are also now crying about depreciation.

People are faster to complain than sing praise. Some folks just like attention. Some folks wouldn't be satisfied no matter the product, performance or outcome of situation.

 

[TrailMax]

Does anyone know if the PHEV Jeep is really dead? I've seen quite a few posts on social media that Jeep cancelled the PHEV permanently, but haven't seen anything official.

I can see the possibility with the recall, need for a significant battery replacements, looking for new HV battery supplier/QC improvements, gearing the factory back up to produce the PHEVs, the possibility that the JL will be retired in a few years, etc., that they're just cancelling the JL (and current version of the GC) until the new generation of Wranglers/GCs come out.

Of course a change of Administrations may make restarting production an attractive proposition again too.

 

[JeepFiend]

well stellantis supposedly sold a 50% share in a 5 billion dollar battery plant in Canada for $100...I'm guessing that doesn't bode well for battery powered cars in the stellantis line

 

[Casaflyr]

well stellantis supposedly sold a 50% share in a 5 billion dollar battery plant in Canada for $100...I'm guessing that doesn't bode well for battery powered cars in the stellantis line

I would say that means Stellantis is getting out of the battery business. There have been several articles on Stellantis trying to divest to preserve cash and that they are "shifting" their EV strategy.

Does anyone know if the PHEV Jeep is really dead? I've seen quite a few posts on social media that Jeep cancelled the PHEV permanently, but haven't seen anything official.

I can see the possibility with the recall, need for a significant battery replacements, looking for new HV battery supplier/QC improvements, gearing the factory back up to produce the PHEVs, the possibility that the JL will be retired in a few years, etc., that they're just cancelling the JL (and current version of the GC) until the new generation of Wranglers/GCs come out.

Of course a change of Administrations may make restarting production an attractive proposition again too.

I can't find any "official" Stellantis statement. But there are plenty of articles that are reporting that it's official that the 4xe Wrangler and 4xe GC are dead.
cash and are "shifting" their EV strategy.
Stellantis pulls the plug on PHEVs
Stellantis take $26 billion hit on EV strategy
Stellantis seeks to exit battery venture with Samsung

 

[azjl#3]

Electric is the future, just not the future that is rammed down people throat, and being bank rolled with our tax dollars for crap tech, even the money being spent on so-called infrastructure is a waste of money.

Agreed, but we are 20-50 years from being able to support the increased electrical production required. So ICE ICE BABY!

 

[LAM]

Agreed, but we are 20-50 years from being able to support the increased electrical production required. So ICE ICE BABY!

Yet the euphoric AI proponents are ready to commit to the potentially greater electrical needs of their projects. Bitcoins, too.

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