Manual Transmission - Issues shifting into 1st & Reverse (Compilation thread)

[andrei]

Just wondering, but did anyone ever figure out of the recall replacement clutch is actually different than the originals? If not then a 3rd party pcm reflash just leaves anyone with the same, but probably rare, fire risk.

What gek said.
I still have original parts and possibly a wrap with part # on it, can snap pics if you want to investigate

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[SadRobot]

Well overnight my Jeep just went from annoying to drive to afraid to drive. A lot of the tricks like when stopped, shift to second before first quit working today, and I wasn't sure I could even drive it home. R, 1, 2, 3 all locked out at multiple stoplights and often locked out while moving. So, I've scheduled to have the recall done

The shop said they replace clutches (in general across all brands and models) every 1-2 weeks, and they are fine that I've regeared and have an aftermarket clutch already installed. I figured it can't get much worse than it already is.

Keep us posted how it goes.

 

[BHank0688]

What gek said.
I still have original parts and possibly a wrap with part # on it, can snap pics if you want to investigate

Early one when the recall parts became available I saw some people claiming part numbers were exactly the same. I never cared to look too much into it as I’d probably be getting rid of the Jeep before wanting to drive it with the stock clutch feel again. Was just asking out of curiosity. Ultimately I’d love a hemi/ and maybe auto swap for mine but that looks pricey.

 

[AVGeek99]

Mmmm i have doubts on that one.
To begin with, what is stock? You said it yourself " it would be a lot of work to create an update for each configuration". There are also replacement PCMs that have never been married to a vehicle. And i can only imagine what a disaster it will be when JL enters secondary market as a 15+ year old vehicle after multiple owners.

Unless code is written by 1st semester freshman in medical science, that is not how codes are written. For what you say to be true, there have to be 2 constant (unchangable) variables (your veh parameters) coded into a program, that represent the same value, and only one of them is allowed to be changed by you and other only by manufacturer. Along with that, there needs to a function that constantly checks those 2 constant variables for equality and throws red flag when they dont =/=. And another function that takes other variables to determine what sort of user you are, and determines which variable you are allowed to change...

Your brain hurts yet? I need about 5 more paragraphs to explain this coding logic to you.
In simpler words a complete nonsense from coding perspective.

I see why your wondering takes you where it takes you, its just that from fundamental perspective it does not compute. But then again, i don't have a source code in front of me, it might very well be copy-pasted together nonsense by Indian monkeys.


IMO, sending your PCM for a reflash to 3rd party is the way to go. Current software checking for clutch slip is a retardation of a highest order. Ill give you couple of future scenarios:

• aged clutch + pulling trailer/ complex offroading = clutch slip = limp mode.
• water crossing = clutch slip = limp mode = totaled Jeep.
• offroading in mud = clutch slip = limp mode + you stuck in mud = get fucked.

WTF???

To begin with, my assumption (maybe I'm making an ass out of you and me, you've certainly made one of yourself) is that each VIN has a stock configuration. If I am wrong, my apologies to the great and all knowing Oracle you seem to think you are.

Is it an absolute requirement to set config back to stock prior to applying a software update? Generally no. But when a particular software update has caused a lot of issues for people with larger tires or have regeared, the smart and extremely simple thing would be to remove those variables from the equation prior to having the software update applied. And then simply restore your correct settings after the recall is complete. Many have done it this way with great success, myself included.

But anyway, you do you. Have fun ripping your PCM out and sending it to a 3rd party. Maybe that will fix the issues you're having with your ACT clutch.

 

[m3reno]

My 2018 Jeep JLU had 0 issues shifting before trading it in to the dealership with 50,000 miles. My 2022 is a pain getting it into 1st when stopped. My question is did anything change from 2018 to current? Seems like the majority of complaints stem from the latest JLU

 

[andrei]

WTF???

To begin with, my assumption (maybe I'm making an ass out of you and me, you've certainly made one of yourself) is that each VIN has a stock configuration. If I am wrong, my apologies to the great and all knowing Oracle you seem to think you are.

Is it an absolute requirement to set config back to stock prior to applying a software update? Generally no. But when a particular software update has caused a lot of issues for people with larger tires or have regeared, the smart and extremely simple thing would be to remove those variables from the equation prior to having the software update applied. And then simply restore your correct settings after the recall is complete. Many have done it this way with great success, myself included.

But anyway, you do you. Have fun ripping your PCM out and sending it to a 3rd party. Maybe that will fix the issues you're having with your ACT clutch.

O_o
I thought we were just chatting and throwing ideas in the air. If you can't have simple chats without supporting hugs and experiencing emotional damage, I'll stop replying to you.

 

[AVGeek99]

O_o
I thought we were just chatting and throwing ideas in the air. If you can't have simple chats without supporting hugs and experiencing emotional damage, I'll stop replying to you.

LOL, I'm doing just fine. Maybe go back and read your response, or would that hurt your brain?

When a software update causes issues, and the latest clutch recall software update has cause A LOT of issues, and those most heavily impacted have been those that have bigger tires and/or regeared, simple logic says to take those variables out of play. Because this update has proven Stellantis did a sh!t job coding for those variables.

Happy New Year!

 

[OldGuyNewJeep]

My 2018 Jeep JLU had 0 issues shifting before trading it in to the dealership with 50,000 miles. My 2022 is a pain getting it into 1st when stopped. My question is did anything change from 2018 to current? Seems like the majority of complaints stem from the latest JLU

No. I have a 2018 and have trouble with 1st. Now at 72,000 miles.

 

[BHank0688]

If anyone is curious about continuation of my adventure with ACT garbage:

It has been about 5000 miles after replacing ACT clutch and pressure plate with new. The smoothness in shifting has degraded, and felt shifting is delayed. On some days, after releasing clutch pedal there is about half second delay before clutch slams into a flywheel.

Roaring Wookiee has not returned yet, last time it appeared around 4000 mile mark.

Overall roughly mimics previous behavior.

Since October, ACT is yet to reimburse me for replacement parts or update me about the ones i sent them back. To my last inquiry they had no clue i even sent then anything.

Are you doing the install yourself? Maybe the wrong grease is being used (lol I’m joking don’t get all fired up.) I am curious though how did your throwout bearing look/ was it replaced as well? Not because I think that’s any of your issues, has more to do with issues I’m having that seem to differ from yours.

 

[roaniecowpony]

I see now that McLeod offers a few variations of a JL clutch/flywheel and a couple variations of throwout bearings from an all metal conventional bearing to an actuator type bearing.

Anyone have experience with them or heard anything yet?

 

[BHank0688]

I see now that McLeod offers a few variations of a JL clutch/flywheel and a couple variations of throwout bearings from an all metal conventional bearing to an actuator type bearing.

Anyone have experience with them or heard anything yet?

Interesting to finally see an all metal throwout bearing. I didn’t see where they offer that for sale by itself. I’d like to compare it size wise to a stock one and potentially swap it into my jeep with the act pro mass. Process of elimination for me at this point is all I can do.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Interesting to finally see an all metal throwout bearing. I didn’t see where they offer that for sale by itself. I’d like to compare it size wise to a stock one and potentially swap it into my jeep with the act pro mass. Process of elimination for me at this point is all I can do.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...has-announced-a-new-clutch-for-the-jl.116709/
Check this old thread. McLeod offers the actuator style throwout bearing separately and actually indicates that it should work with the ACT. I would give them a call and discuss what they recommend to solve your ACT clutch issue. I'm familiar with the issue as I have attempted to help someone work through it. My guess is they will point you toward the actuator type bearing.

 

[SadRobot]

I see now that McLeod offers a few variations of a JL clutch/flywheel and a couple variations of throwout bearings from an all metal conventional bearing to an actuator type bearing.

Anyone have experience with them or heard anything yet?

I saw a review on the recall group about the McLeod internal throwout bearing failing twice within a year. Of course that's just one person's experience but that's always a risk if the hydraulics fail inside the bell housing you're dropping the transmission.

 

[BHank0688]

I saw a review on the recall group about the McLeod internal throwout bearing failing twice within a year. Of course that's just one person's experience but that's always a risk if the hydraulics fail inside the bell housing you're dropping the transmission.

And that’s why I still like the external slave with clutch fork. I just want a HD non plastic version of the oem setup. Maybe it won’t help me out at all, but I’d like to at least give it a try.

 

[SadRobot]

And that’s why I still like the external slave with clutch fork. I just want a HD non plastic version of the oem setup. Maybe it won’t help me out at all, but I’d like to at least give it a try.

@roaniecowpony and I have talked about maybe trying to make a metal insert for the OEM bearing at some point if my clutch starts having issues again. So far I still only have 2k miles on the clutch although it did start having some problems getting stuck in reverse the last time I drove it about a month ago.

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