New Tire time: Mickey Thompson Baja Boss vs. Toyo RT Trail

[RubiSc0tt]

Time for new tires for the big orange Jeep! I'll be moving on from My Milestars cause while they were good for the first half of their lives, the second half was more challenging to find a good tire pressure where they didn't wander and also wear the middle tread block super fast.

That said, I checked with a contact through one of my off road groups and I'm down to 2, based on feedback from several trusted off road groups I'm in and price:

Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT
or
Toyo RT Trail

Looking at 37x12.50xR17. Q124/ C or D Load range but not totally set on that.

The Baja Boss have a lot of good reviews and I've seen them go through some serious abuse. It would definitely fit my Daily driver/ Weekend warrior/ Road tripper use case.

That said: The Toyo are significantly cheaper, have been getting good reviews, and although they're more of a hybrid AT/MT- they have a 45000 mi warranty- Which might last this Jeep into the 100k mi club.

Looking for any hands on experience with either of these tires. Bonus if you've used the Warranty on the Toyos. Curious how that works.

Use case: I get to wheel about once a month, and do a fair amount of highway driving (40mi commute twice a week, 2 500+ Mi Road trips each summer). It's my daily driver but I consider myself a serious off roader (see the profile pic and the build thread for more evidence of being dumb with Jeeps), and somewhat of a veteran in that area (19 years this year, sucka).

Not looking for other suggestions- I know Nittos Trail Graps are top dog, but my tires/ wheels are heavy enough already. Goodyear need not apply. And if you're coming here to tell my about how quiet and wonderful your Firestone/ Falken/ Nitto/ General/ Other non BFG AT tire is- I'm not interested. I've been doing the Jeep thing long enough to not worry about road noise or tire fuel efficiency. I need performance on the trail, and in the snow/ ice when the poop hits the fan.

Thanks in advance for your input!

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[Flip]

Both are good tires, up to you.

 

[Nokones]

I would get the Mickey Bajas A/T in Load Range E. The E range have more plies and are more durable and will not get cut as easily as a C or D.

 

[John VonJeep]

Can’t go wrong with either. Both manufacturers make great tires. So I’d go with the Toyo since it’s cheaper.

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[autotragic]

My votes for Mickey Thompson. I've been oing to an off-road park that's actually between where I live and where I work that has 4 boh trails and I've been pretty happy with my BB ats there. I just drive straight in after work and pay my 15 bucks go off-roading for an hour or two and drive home and haven't had a single issue and collected all the badges there as well.

In reality both tires will probably work so it'll come down to personal preference or whichever one you're willing to pay for. But my first-hand experience with the Mickey Thompson means they get my vote.

 

[Notgeowild]

Im on the same boat on this OP.

if I can add to the question 37's? or 38's? and Why?

Jeep currently has stock XR lift (eventually will do a 3.5" Metalcloak), and stock 4.88's.

 

[autotragic]

Im on the same boat on this OP.

if I can add to the question 37's? or 38's? and Why?

Jeep currently has stock XR lift (eventually will do a 3.5" Metalcloak), and stock 4.88's.

If you're looking at the Baja boss you can get them in 37s or 40s right now.

To really throw fuel on the fire Mickey Thompson's going to be releasing 38-in Baja boss tires. The question is when and that I can't answer. But it is something to look forward to.

If you go to the GenRight YouTube channel there's a video it's a little over an hour long but it's got an interview/Q and A with the head of the Mickey Thompson's truck tire division and he releases some other tidbits as well worth checking out.

 

[Ecorubi]

Running the open country rt trails on my JLURD in the 315/75R17. Love them. I wanted D rated instead of E on my wrangler. On my second set of rt trails in 37s on my Cummins. For you application, which is similar to mine, I'd recommend the toyos. Rotate regularly and inflated properly and they will last forever. They also roll smooth and balance easily.

If you were running more trails and less highway, Mickeys all day

 

[RubiSc0tt]

Running the open country rt trails on my JLURD in the 315/75R17. Love them. I wanted D rated instead of E on my wrangler. On my second set of rt trails in 37s on my Cummins. For you application, which is similar to mine, I'd recommend the toyos. Rotate regularly and inflated properly and they will last forever. They also roll smooth and balance easily.

If you were running more trails and less highway, Mickeys all day

What's a good street pressure for the Toyos on the Rubi?
What's a good trail pressure?

Update: This got delayed due to home repairs but still on schedule to do it before the snow flies and it gets too cold/ wet.

 

[Ecorubi]

What's a good street pressure for the Toyos on the Rubi?
What's a good trail pressure?

Update: This got delayed due to home repairs but still on schedule to do it before the snow flies and it gets too cold/ wet.

I run between 27 and 30 psi cold on pavement and between 15 and 18 psi on the trail. Wheels are 17 inch AEV Savegre's

 

[RubiSc0tt]

I run between 27 and 30 psi cold on pavement and between 15 and 18 psi on the trail. Wheels are 17 inch AEV Savegre's

Awesome. Very similar to what I'm used to. How do they do in the Mud/ snow/ ice? Being in the Northeast there are a few trails where we get some mud. Likewise, snow and ice are a thing for commuting here.

 

[zouch]

Mickey M/Ts all the way,.. right up until your last sentence.

i ran the Mickey M/Ts when i had 35s and loved them enough that i'm looking for an excuse to ditch the name brand 37s i’m using now to get another set of the Mickeys. seemed like their bizarre tread pattern had something that worked on every type of terrain, and i didn’t find them to be too loud. seems i’m not alone; they were on more of the rigs i saw on the Rubicon last month than everything else combined. (i wonder if i can hold out for the rumored 38s,.. )

that said, were i planning on doing anything more than casual recreational snow/ice driving, i’d be looking more seriously at the 3PMS rated Mickey A/T.; they seem to be working very well offroad, and might serve better for those times when you’re trying to stay *ON* the road.

Time for new tires for the big orange Jeep! I'll be moving on from My Milestars cause while they were good for the first half of their lives, the second half was more challenging to find a good tire pressure where they didn't wander and also wear the middle tread block super fast.

That said, I checked with a contact through one of my off road groups and I'm down to 2, based on feedback from several trusted off road groups I'm in and price:

Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT
or
Toyo RT Trail

Looking at 37x12.50xR17. Q124/ C or D Load range but not totally set on that.

The Baja Boss have a lot of good reviews and I've seen them go through some serious abuse. It would definitely fit my Daily driver/ Weekend warrior/ Road tripper use case.

That said: The Toyo are significantly cheaper, have been getting good reviews, and although they're more of a hybrid AT/MT- they have a 45000 mi warranty- Which might last this Jeep into the 100k mi club.

Looking for any hands on experience with either of these tires. Bonus if you've used the Warranty on the Toyos. Curious how that works.

Use case: I get to wheel about once a month, and do a fair amount of highway driving (40mi commute twice a week, 2 500+ Mi Road trips each summer). It's my daily driver but I consider myself a serious off roader (see the profile pic and the build thread for more evidence of being dumb with Jeeps), and somewhat of a veteran in that area (19 years this year, sucka).

Not looking for other suggestions- I know Nittos Trail Graps are top dog, but my tires/ wheels are heavy enough already. Goodyear need not apply. And if you're coming here to tell my about how quiet and wonderful your Firestone/ Falken/ Nitto/ General/ Other non BFG AT tire is- I'm not interested. I've been doing the Jeep thing long enough to not worry about road noise or tire fuel efficiency. I need performance on the trail, and in the snow/ ice when the poop hits the fan.

Thanks in advance for your input!

 

[Ecorubi]

Awesome. Very similar to what I'm used to. How do they do in the Mud/ snow/ ice? Being in the Northeast there are a few trails where we get some mud. Likewise, snow and ice are a thing for commuting here.

They perform well in all those scenarios. Not as well in the mud as the toyo mt, probably not as good in the snow as 3PMS rated tires, but well enough. I run a lot of miles and am willing to sacrifice a bit of specialty performance for longevity. FYI, I'm in NE KS. Mud is almost always an issue off road and some years we get lots of snow, some years not so much.

 

[RubiSc0tt]

Mickey M/Ts all the way,.. right up until your last sentence.

i ran the Mickey M/Ts when i had 35s and loved them enough that i'm looking for an excuse to ditch the name brand 37s i’m using now to get another set of the Mickeys. seemed like their bizarre tread pattern had something that worked on every type of terrain, and i didn’t find them to be too loud. seems i’m not alone; they were on more of the rigs i saw on the Rubicon last month than everything else combined. (i wonder if i can hold out for the rumored 38s,.. )

that said, were i planning on doing anything more than casual recreational snow/ice driving, i’d be looking more seriously at the 3PMS rated Mickey A/T.; they seem to be working very well offroad, and might serve better for those times when you’re trying to stay *ON* the road.

I really like the Mickey Baja Boss MT. I have to follow up with my contact to see if he's running any specials on them, cause if the price works out that may be a factor as well. My main concern with running another full fledged MT is wear. Totally different tire, I get it, but my Milestars wore OK for the first half of their lives and have worn and performed kinda shitty since, and I got them in 2021. Granted: It wasn't a huge concern when I bought them but I've since changed jobs and do a 2 day 120mi round trip commute to the office. And we take it on more road trips now, in addition to all the running around I do with my kids and the once a month I do get to wheel.

Anything that's less than a hybrid AT (like BFG KO series, which is the gold standard in my experience) won't work on the trails I run. Northeast has wet, heavy forest mud with leaves and big rocks. if you don't have some sort of MT and lugs that will clear with a little spin, they gum up and they're useless. BFG's have some issues clearing that, but they do make up for it on the street and I've never had issues with them.

Looking at the Mickey website again, the AT looks similar to the MT, just not as deep lugs? It has a better treadlife warranty than the Toyo and gets the 3pms rating. This may be worth looking into.

There's also a Baja Boss MT XS. Looks identical to the MT. Difference is an extra ply?

 

[Camaroboi13]

I have 37” RT Trails on my JTOD, my wife has 37” Patagonias on her 24 JLU Willys. She drives 6k miles a year, no brainer to keep the pats. The center block is designed to wear out faster than the rest of the tire. That’s why the higher pressures are recommend there.

That being said the Toyos are great. I thought they would have issues with water while wheeling, but they did just fine coming out of water and onto rocks. I cannot say for sure that muddy terrains will be the same way, no experience there. I run mine at 34 on the street and 14 on the trails. I drive 72 miles a day, so the little bump in mpg is worth it for me to run the higher pressure. Stay religious with your rotations.

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