What do your Nuts look like?

[nota4re]

OK, get your minds out of the gutter, so we can talk about a VERY important topic - especially for those that are going to larger, heavier tires. Many lug nuts will "work", but the questions is if you are using the BEST and SAFEST lug nut for those sometimes very heavy wheel/tire combinations.

Our JL's use a 14mm x 1.5 lug lut with a 60-degree conical seat. There are a zillion lug nuts out there that meet this (minimum) description! HOWEVER, I contend that MOST of the lug nuts that you will commonly find out there in this size, are NOT the best lug nut - ESPECIALLY for large, heavy tires. OK, brace yourself, I'm going to show you some nut pictures. OK, not my nuts.... but how 'bout some Gorilla nuts?

Most commonly available nuts will look similar to this Gorilla nut shown above. These are very traditional (narrow seat) nuts and they are the correct thread 14 x 1.5, and the correct conical 60-degree seat. As such, they will threard right on and the will hold your 100lb+ 35-37" wheel/tire to the hub. BUT, I don't think this the best/safest lug nut because the surface area of the seat (now we're talking nuts and seats - go figure) is less than ideal. I contend that the lug nuts that you really want to be using look something like this...

Notice the comparatively massive increase in the size of the seat. In this case the hex is larger (7/8") and the top of the conical seat flares out beyond that.

Simply stated, we'd probably all be better off if we had a minimum of 6-lug hubs to secure 100lb+ wheel/tire combinations, but I would encourage all of you who are going to larger tires to shop around and get the best/safest nuts for your application.

So, what are you all using? These specialized (larger) nuts are a LOT more expensive. What are YOU using, and where did you purchase from?

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[FatBoy01]

Yes, you need to be concerned about the conical base of the lugnut.

Here is the Gorilla brand, "factory style wheel lock" to use with the stock JL/JLU rims if you are wanting Gorilla brand. You buy can 20 and 24 piece sets of these. Each is a factory style wheel lock that you need a wheel lock key to use for removal.

Notice how large the mushroom/bulge is at the base.
(14mm x 1.50 Thread Length 1.62"

 

[nota4re]

FatBoy01 - We agree. The large-seat lug nuts are the only way to go. And given what the rims and tires cost these days, I further agree with you that a set of locking lug nuts is likely very prudent. I ordered a set of (24) of these so I could have a couple on the spare as well. Amazon sells them for $100. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2ABJME/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[Man-of-methods]

Yes, you need to be concerned about the conical base of the lugnut.

Here is the Gorilla brand, "factory style wheel lock" to use with the stock JL/JLU rims if you are wanting Gorilla brand. You buy can 20 and 24 piece sets of these. Each is a factory style wheel lock that you need a wheel lock key to use for removal.

Notice how large the mushroom/bulge is at the base.
(14mm x 1.50 Thread Length 1.62"

Word

I'm proud to say that these are the very first thing I bought for my JLUR!
P.S. I bought them for $89 on Amazon at the end of January and they keep getting higher and higher in price.

 

[aug0211]

Hey gang - I’m new to this, in all honesty I haven’t paid any attention in the past.

I’m considering some SCS wheels, and of course they offer their own nuts.

Thoughts on these vs. the gorillas you linked to on Amazon? These are cheaper...

https://www.stealthcustomseries.com/products/scs-spline-lugs

Also, n00b question - what does the “spline” mean?

 

[FatBoy01]

snipe:

Also, n00b question - what does the “spline” mean?

The splines are the end to end, grooves cut into the lug nut. In order to remove such a lug nut you need a special key that corresponds exactly to the splines on the lug nut.

Those locking lug nuts, 14mm x 1.50, that SCS have for their wheel are aok to use on your JLU/JL. SCS knows the lug nut / the conical end on their lug nut, are what is called for in regard to their wheel.. Do know that other brands of lug nuts can also be used with the SCS wheel.


spline
splīn/
noun
noun: spline; plural noun: splines; noun: spline curve; plural noun: spline curves

1. 1.
   a rectangular key fitting into grooves in the hub and shaft of a wheel, especially one formed integrally with the shaft that allows movement of the wheel on the shaft.
   • a corresponding groove in a hub along which the key may slide.
2. 2.
   a slat.
   • a flexible wood or rubber strip used especially in drawing large curves.
3. 3.
   Mathematics
   a continuous curve constructed so as to pass through a given set of points and have a certain number of continuous derivatives.

verb
verb: spline; 3rd person present: splines; past tense: splined; past participle: splined; gerund or present participle: splining

1. 1.
   secure (a part) by means of a spline.
   • fit with a spline.
     "splined freewheels"

Origin

mid 18th century (originally East Anglian dialect): perhaps related to splinter.
Translate spline to
Use over time for: spline


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[aug0211]

snipe:


The splines are the end to end, grooves cut into the lug nut. In order to remove such a lug nut you need a special key that corresponds exactly to the splines on the lug nut.

Those locking lug nuts, 14mm x 1.50, that SCS have for their wheel are aok to use on your JLU/JL. SCS knows the lug nut / the conical end on their lug nut, are what is called for in regard to their wheel.. Do know that other brands of lug nuts can also be used with the SCS wheel.


spline
splīn/
noun
noun: spline; plural noun: splines; noun: spline curve; plural noun: spline curves

1. 1.
   a rectangular key fitting into grooves in the hub and shaft of a wheel, especially one formed integrally with the shaft that allows movement of the wheel on the shaft.
   • a corresponding groove in a hub along which the key may slide.
2. 2.
   a slat.
   • a flexible wood or rubber strip used especially in drawing large curves.
3. 3.
   Mathematics
   a continuous curve constructed so as to pass through a given set of points and have a certain number of continuous derivatives.

verb
verb: spline; 3rd person present: splines; past tense: splined; past participle: splined; gerund or present participle: splining

1. 1.
   secure (a part) by means of a spline.
   • fit with a spline.
     "splined freewheels"

Origin

mid 18th century (originally East Anglian dialect): perhaps related to splinter.
Translate spline to
Use over time for: spline


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Wow, helpful x10.

I’m surprised their lugs are so much cheaper than what I’m guessing is the more widely usable option in the Gorilla lugs on Amazon.

Safe to say these are the best lugs for use on this wheel?

 

[FatBoy01]

snipe:

Safe to say these are the best lugs for use on this wheel?

I can't answer that question. I don't know what is better then what. What we both know per SCS is the lug nut is the proper size, proper conical end for their wheel. Are their better... are there more durable, that the black finish will hold up better on, etc. I do not know.

 

[nota4re]

Hey gang - I’m new to this, in all honesty I haven’t paid any attention in the past.

I’m considering some SCS wheels, and of course they offer their own nuts.

Thoughts on these vs. the gorillas you linked to on Amazon? These are cheaper...

https://www.stealthcustomseries.com/products/scs-spline-lugs

I would be very careful to check the SCS nuts. The *could* be the exact type of lug nuts that I have been cautioning AGAINST. In short, yes, the thread size is correct, as is the 60-degree conical seat. However, what we can't see from the picture is the AREA of the conical seat. If you remove a stock lug nut from the JL, you will see how large the "seat" (angled portion) of the lug nut is. *MOST* lug nuts are not going to be designed like this. The SCS may or may not be.

 

[FatBoy01]

I would be very careful to check the SCS nuts. The *could* be the exact type of lug nuts that I have been cautioning AGAINST. In short, yes, the thread size is correct, as is the 60-degree conical seat. However, what we can't see from the picture is the AREA of the conical seat. If you remove a stock lug nut from the JL, you will see how large the "seat" (angled portion) of the lug nut is. *MOST* lug nuts are not going to be designed like this. The SCS may or may not be.

What you are saying is the reason why I opted to go with the Gorilla's for my stock wheels. I like the larger, etc. conical base of the Gorilla offering myself. But that is with my stock wheels.

I'd have to see the SCS lug nut before I weighed in any more on this.. You would assume if SCS is offering them for this/their wheel that they would be aok.

 

[aug0211]

Thanks everyone - I don’t know anything about this space so this is really helpful. I’ll see if SCS can provide better photos of their lugs (nuts? Either? Same?) and post up here.

 

[nota4re]

Well, two things here. Jeep knew that many owners may mount larger/heavier tire combinations onto their rims and they did two things to provide more strength over the JK, for example. First, the threaded wheel lugs themselves are larger and second, they additionally went to the larger seat - where the lug has more surface area against the wheel. In summary, my recommendation would be that if you are going to a 35" or larger tire, you should try to utilize a wheel/lug with this larger seating area.

 

[cnyjl]

OK, get your minds out of the gutter, so we can talk about a VERY important topic - especially for those that are going to larger, heavier tires. Many lug nuts will "work", but the questions is if you are using the BEST and SAFEST lug nut for those sometimes very heavy wheel/tire combinations.

Our JL's use a 14mm x 1.5 lug lut with a 60-degree conical seat. There are a zillion lug nuts out there that meet this (minimum) description! HOWEVER, I contend that MOST of the lug nuts that you will commonly find out there in this size, are NOT the best lug nut - ESPECIALLY for large, heavy tires. OK, brace yourself, I'm going to show you some nut pictures. OK, not my nuts.... but how 'bout some Gorilla nuts?

Most commonly available nuts will look similar to this Gorilla nut shown above. These are very traditional (narrow seat) nuts and they are the correct thread 14 x 1.5, and the correct conical 60-degree seat. As such, they will threard right on and the will hold your 100lb+ 35-37" wheel/tire to the hub. BUT, I don't think this the best/safest lug nut because the surface area of the seat (now we're talking nuts and seats - go figure) is less than ideal. I contend that the lug nuts that you really want to be using look something like this...

Notice the comparatively massive increase in the size of the seat. In this case the hex is larger (7/8") and the top of the conical seat flares out beyond that.

Simply stated, we'd probably all be better off if we had a minimum of 6-lug hubs to secure 100lb+ wheel/tire combinations, but I would encourage all of you who are going to larger tires to shop around and get the best/safest nuts for your application.

So, what are you all using? These specialized (larger) nuts are a LOT more expensive. What are YOU using, and where did you purchase from?

Just a heads up for those of you that plan on buying aftermarket wheels either now or down the road. I just bought a set of these bulge nuts and the bulge on these nuts makes them too wide to fit inside the holes on my Fuel Anza wheels.

 

[martyb511]

Just a heads up for those of you that plan on buying aftermarket wheels either now or down the road. I just bought a set of these bulge nuts and the bulge on these nuts makes them too wide to fit inside the holes on my Fuel Anza wheels.

I can also confirm these (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2ABJME/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) will not work on GRID GD06 wheels.
Which nuts/wheel locks did you go with?

 

[cnyjl]

I can also confirm these (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2ABJME/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) will not work on GRID GD06 wheels.
Which nuts/wheel locks did you go with?

These:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gorilla-71...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

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