Why so noisy ?

[RussJeep1]

There are two sets of videos about the JL I can't stand – that annoying Jeep couple and this one. It's like when Obama would do a "hard hitting" interview on the Today Show with questions like, "Why are you so awesome?" and "Is it hard being a dad?"

Irrespective of my politics, I think that a very sound analogy. To point: the best truth isn't uncovered when the interviewee knows and approves the questions to be asked, and as his/her stock answers in queue.

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[Space ace]

Yep, mine is too, sounds so much like a diesel..
OP is not talking about fan noise, HP or exhaust.. it’s when the engine is running and how loud and noisy it is, sounds horrible and unhealthy...

 

[RussJeep1]

I actually don't disagree with what you stated, from a corporate perspective.

I wouldn't expect you to as I merely sought to explain, not contradict the circumstances (valid on your part) around which you voice dissatisfaction; besides my explanation is simply the way it is--and not because I say so.

With that said, I'm also not willing to give them a pass on poor engineering either.

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Absolutely!​

FCA can not (nor should they be) all things to all people.

Absolutely. That can't even be all things to their segment. There are just too many competing ends for customer wishes when it comes to the Wrangler.

There will always be features or improvements that we wish were there. For instance, how long do we have to wait for automatic down AND up on ALL the windows?

Absolutely. Things other manufacturers wouldn't dream of not including in their base models just to get people to look at them, FCA makes optional or doesn't even include in their models. This is a product of FCA enjoying quasi-monopsonistic (seller of one) power in their market space, and with an aftermarket that will design the gear people want that FCA doesn't want to offer.

We are free not to buy a Wrangler, but we bite the bullet.

How much does that really cost? How have other manufacturer's figured out how to do it cost effectively? I digress however...

I agree. I'm even going to answer it, albeit tongue-in-cheek. It costs about $115 million: the cost for a competitor like Ford to start up a truly competing rig.

Providing a sub par solution at the danger of brand reputation is never acceptable, but does happen. I have faced with this reality many times in my professional career and while I (or my team) will not present a solution that is simply a bad practice, there have been times were we have been "overruled" whether leadership was willing to gamble the risk or the client didn't wish to pay for it. No engineer wants to hear that their design is bad, but reasonable and experienced ones will listen and try to solve the problem other ways until an acceptable solution is obtained.

I can relate!

I understand the tug of war. But I also understand (and appreciate the checks and balances) that there is a difference between getting from ideal to acceptable versus cutting corners.

I agree, if not to point out that what you and I see as cutting corners, a manufacturer often sees as "going with the more profitable solution while still remaining in design parameters." Corporate speak: yes.

The notion that they act as if there is no problem, just irritates me.

Me too, but what would you expect them to do, except for the most out there defects like some rig habitually deciding to self combust itself for the same, say, faulty wire, especially in cases where the regulatory authorities have stepped in. It's not as if their competition is acting any differently.

There is a fine line between acceptable and not acceptable. As a consumer, I can tell you it's not acceptable to me. That same line is there for the engineer responsible for the design and if they feel this is acceptable, i question the integrity of their design fundamentals.

I hate to admit it, but it is apparently acceptable to me and many other owners......we bought the rig.

This is kind of like the debate I have with the previous generation about the price they paid for something that wasn't essential. "You choose to buy it right? Then it wasn't too expensive, even though I get that you wish it was less expensive."

The point I am making here is to own blame where I, and other owners deserve to, as that's only fair--not to split hairs.

I guess time will tell and I am willing to predict that the excessive fan noise wont be there in the 2020 model production. It wont be there because they will have either exercised the engineering team to find an alternate solution with existing components, the fan performance will be improved or the current design will be completely redesigned.

I don't know if this will happen--although I bet you have a better handle on it than me. What I can say for certain are the factors smart FCA execs should and will consider, will include how much and many people complain about the existing fan, how much resolving the problem will cost, how much of that cost can be pushed onto the market without it much affecting sales, and how much of the "we got it wrong in the first model" eating crow factor FCA feels they will get fingered with, and are willing to accept.

The only difference is that I and every other JL owner will be left with solving the problem ourselves with aftermarket parts.

Yep.

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