Why get a 4XE?

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Jeep is rated at 68 kWh per 100 miles
Fusion Energi is rated at 35kWh per 100 miles.
Break even on a Fusion Energi is about $2.00 a gallon.
Break even on a Jeep is about $4.00 a gallon
any gas price less than above, the EV car loses $ per mile vs gas

pretty easy to calculate the difference in costs.
also, pretty easy to calculate your cost per mile.

just remember to charge your Jeep with 68 kWh you will use anywhere from 75-80kWH Of energy, maybe more.
for example in summer it takes me about 6-7kWH to get 5 in my battery. Winter 7-8 kWH to get 5.

Please don't take this as being negative. It’s just the facts and science.
I would jump on the 4xE if it was more efficient. It just isn’t there yet.

2017 Fusion EPA ratings

I can go 21 miles on $1.12 of electricity. I can go 21 miles on 1 gal of gas. I'm not Einstein, but I can figure out that gas has to be less than $1.12/gal to beat the electric cost. What am I missing here? Talk to me like I'm a ginger.

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[mllcb42]

What am I missing here? Talk to me like I'm a ginger.

The $4/gallon number only adds up if you misunderstand what MPGe means and think it is saying that the 4xe gets 49 mpg from what I can gather.

 

[Zandcwhite]

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Do the research..............Its not panic. Lithium batteries do NOT extinguish easily. These batteries have been in vehicles for over a decade, and we still do not have a way to put them out quickly.

It takes about 150lbs of Class D Cogupper extinishing agent to put out 5 lbs of Lithium!

Have you seen what happens in a car fire or even better a tanker fire? The car burns down to the metal components, tires melt, all wire/plastics/etc gone. A tanker fire they just clear the area and let it burn. 40k+ vehicle fires and ~350 deaths every year. Lithium is harder to extinguish than gas, but unless you travel with a fire truck it's going to be too late anyway in your ICE vehicle.

 

[Malifestro]

I bought a 4xe because it is a Wrangler 1st that I can also drive on Electric around town for near all of my miles. I live in town and most of my errands are under 10 miles on way. So it's pretty easy to exceed the range if you can charge for free while out or pop home as I do most of the time.

Also - let's not compare efficiency when talking about the Wrangler to a sedan. Otherwise I am happy to get 23 MPG on the way to the trail, trip to the coast to hang out and also still be able to drive 10 miles down the beach crossing waterways.

 

[organicmama]

No haters please. What are the upsides? The two downsides for me are that the rear seats don't fold as flat as I would like for my dog crate and it will only go 25 miles or less on a charge.

I have one and love it so far. 24.5 mpg and I have it in hybrid mode all the time. Very efficient.

 

[jemanner]

I'm not a fan of how they implemented the EV assist system, i.e. via a belt to the crankshaft. Would have rather seen it (electric motor) between the engine and transmission as some others have done. However, this does make it easily serviceable.

 

[mllcb42]

Would have rather seen it (electric motor) between the engine and transmission as some others have done.

That's where the main electric motor is. The 4xe gets two electric motor/generators. The main one in the transmission and a second one off the front of the engine.

 

[Bri_BKT]

Why get a 4xe?
Because it's super fun, exactly what I wanted and better than my 2019 JLUR 2.0T. My only regret was I couldn't get it in Mojito again. But the Hydro Blue with black grill is pretty great also. Can't wait to get it on the trails with my off-road group this year.

 

[2018JLRUSellersremorse]

Why get a 4xe?
Because it's super fun, exactly what I wanted and better than my 2019 JLUR 2.0T. My only regret was I couldn't get it in Mojito again. But the Hydro Blue with black grill is pretty great also. Can't wait to get it on the trails with my off-road group this year.

That's exactly why I got mine! I went from a 2018 V6 JLRU.

 

[XX4XEXX]

This is incorrect and nonsensical if you look at what the information is actually saying and how the 4xe operates. Yes, I know that's how Stellantis put it on the window sticker, but it isn't even consistent with itself on the window sticker, much less with how the epa communicates things on window stickers.

The 4xe is rated at 49 mpge. Mpge is a unit created by the epa to describe efficiency in electric only operation. It is miles per gallon equivalent. One "gallon equivalent" is the equivalent amount of electrical energy stored in one gallon of gasoline; 33.7 kWh. What this is describing is the distance that the vehicle can travel, in miles, on 33.7 kWh of stored energy.

The 4xe has a usable battery capacity when in electric mode of about 15 kWh. If we use that to determine the number of gallon equivalents stored by the 4xe, we would divide 15 by 33.7 to get .46 gallon equivalents. Multiple that by the 49 mpge rating and we get the all electric range of the wrangler 4xe of 21-22 miles.

As mpge is a measurement of efficiency based on the electrical energy stored in the battery, to try to factor in a hybrid usage just doesn't make sense.

Here's where the window sticker doesn't make sense and where the conflict is:

They show "electric and gasoline" as getting 49 mpge, and break that down to 0 gallons of gas usage and 68 kWh/100 miles of electric. It can't be "gas and electric" with 0 gas usage. Further, they show this:

Showing the "electricity and gasoline" range up to 22 miles, but then directly contradict it with the all electric range being miles 0 through 21.

Further, as we know, the idea of a "gasoline only" section doesn't make any sense either, since the 4xe doesn't actually run on gasoline only ever. When the battery is at a <1% state of charge, it still behaves as a hybrid and uses both the gas and electric motors concurrently to proper the vehicle.

If we go to the EPA, we can see how this is actually supposed to be displayed:

Which the EPA describes as:

Brother your attempting to explain remedial math to a mechanical engineer with a masters in science whom engineers 1 of Los Angeles largest hydro plants. No disrespect but my actual numbers are higher the "EPA" and "sticker sales ploys". Thus far I've been averaging 23.7 MPG, 22 full electric, and 51.7 to 53.5 hybrid. So we can keep posting your l/kw basic math equations but numbers are numbers. I would highly advise anyone looking to save money looking to buy a hybrid to purchase a 4xE Rubicon, get your rebates, and wheel. I love these posts ?

 

[XX4XEXX]

Jeep is rated at 68 kWh per 100 miles
Fusion Energi is rated at 35kWh per 100 miles.
Break even on a Fusion Energi is about $2.00 a gallon.
Break even on a Jeep is about $4.00 a gallon
any gas price less than above, the EV car loses $ per mile vs gas

pretty easy to calculate the difference in costs.
also, pretty easy to calculate your cost per mile.

just remember to charge your Jeep with 68 kWh you will use anywhere from 75-80kWH Of energy, maybe more.
for example in summer it takes me about 6-7kWH to get 5 in my battery. Winter 7-8 kWH to get 5.

Please don't take this as being negative. It’s just the facts and science.
I would jump on the 4xE if it was more efficient. It just isn’t there yet.

2017 Fusion EPA ratings

If I may. 1 we don't buy Jeeps to "jump on one" or for efficiency we buy Jeeps because we are Jeepers for life this being my 4th and a 392 parked. 2 this was something interesting for around town driving which I have full means to charge for free but even with my companies current rates I'm still saving let alone 15k off a Rubicon no dealer mark up. If we are going to split hairs instead of Jeeping the technology for energy storage hasn't been developed yet or you would be driving a bus size battery with wheels. Remember guys every Jeep has its place from the 1 WW till now. Buy what Jeep fits your need and don't forget to wheel it. Happy Jeeping

 

[mllcb42]

Brother your attempting to explain remedial math to a mechanical engineer with a masters in science whom engineers 1 of Los Angeles largest hydro plants

Good, then you have the background to understand why mpge isn't a rating of some combined hybrid fuel economy.

 

[JLUSDIEM]

If I may. 1 we don't buy Jeeps to "jump on one" or for efficiency we buy Jeeps because we are Jeepers for life this being my 4th and a 392 parked. 2 this was something interesting for around town driving which I have full means to charge for free but even with my companies current rates I'm still saving let alone 15k off a Rubicon no dealer mark up. If we are going to split hairs instead of Jeeping the technology for energy storage hasn't been developed yet or you would be driving a bus size battery with wheels. Remember guys every Jeep has its place from the 1 WW till now. Buy what Jeep fits your need and don't forget to wheel it. Happy Jeeping

THIS. Some of you guys aren't understanding that you can save close to 15k on a rubicon if you order. That's insane

 

[BoBo30]

I think if they work for you depends on what type of driving you do. For lots of people 25 miles covers most of their daily commute and running around. If you get a level 2 charger you can often go much more than 25 miles in a single day. For a Wrangler they are really comfortable on the road and they do have a ton of power. They would not be my first choice for a dedicated rock crawler or anything like that .

When I bought mine, after tax credit, it ended being about 3k less than a gas Wrangler but think that has gotten less this last year. How much you drive and the cost of electricity all factor in.

The tax credit is still at full $7500. It only drops off after 200,000 vehicles of the e-type have been sold by the brand.

 

[Shasta_Steve]

The tax credit is still at full $7500. It only drops off after 200,000 vehicles of the e-type have been sold by the brand.

What I was trying to say was when I ordered mine, with the $7500, I ended up being about $3000 less as the 4xe was about$4000 more than a similar equipped. Last I looked the 4xe was quite a lot more expensive than a standard gas Wrangler.

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