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What do you mean by “work on”? Changing the oil? Spark plugs? Timing chains? Turbocharger coolant hoses? Water pumps?

There’s give and take with each engine.

The 3.0 is f’ing miserable to work on though.
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3.6 without eTorque 8AT is the way. Best combination of simplicity and proven reliability.

DI, Turbos, small displacement are all net negatives to the consumer for government compliance. Increase cost, increased complexity, reduced reliability, additional service.

These will be the sought after like the later JKs were. 2.0T will be throw aways.
 
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What do you mean by “work on”? Changing the oil? Spark plugs? Timing chains? Turbocharger coolant hoses? Water pumps?

There’s give and take with each engine.

The 3.0 is f’ing miserable to work on though.
Work on, like being my own mechanic after the warranty runs out. So anything engine related. So if I need to dig into it and I have to pull out tons of emissions equipment to get to anything, like on the diesel, that sucks. That said, if I were to go with the diesel, I'd just let the warranty handle issues until it runs out, then delete all the emissions crap. That would be a future me problem haha.
 
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3.6 without eTorque 8AT is the way. Best combination of simplicity and proven reliability.

DI, Turbos, small displacement are all net negatives to the consumer for government compliance. Increase cost, increased complexity, reduced reliability, additional service.

These will be the sought after like the later JKs were. 2.0T will be throw aways.
too bad I can't order a 3.6 without etorque and 8 spd, or I'd already have made up my mind, because that would be the simplest and most reliable. Personally having owned many small displacement and turbo engines, that doesn't bother me very much. I've had small displacement high rpm high compression motors far outlast my simple v6s and v8s both in terms of reliability and longevity.
 

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Real question, why is the turbo on the 2.0L an issue but not the one on the diesel? The 3.0L diesel has a turbo as well right?
 
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Real question, why is the turbo on the 2.0L an issue but not the one on the diesel? The 3.0L diesel has a turbo as well right?
It's not a problem, just pointing out that could be the only perceivable downside of the engine. That's the least of the issues on the diesel, that said I've heard of more issues with the turbo on the diesel than on the 2.0t, which surprised me because I've usually had good luck with garrett turbos in the past.
 

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Ya the rubi is only an option as of right now for these reasons if we go with the manual. I'm not a big fan of the rubicon interior or the electronic swaybar disconnect. Otherwise a diesel or 2.0 XR will do the trick, and I'll add a locker or two down the line.
If I did it over again I would have gone with the XR Willys instead of a Rubicon.
 

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What issues (i.e., problems) have been alleged regarding the 2.0's turbocharger?
I don't think I've read of any chronic problems with it, it's just an extra component, wear item, etc that adds some complexity to that engine. I was pointing out the consideration, not indicating it was itself an issue.
 

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What are you thinking when you say the diesel is on it's way out being an issue. If I order the thing with the diesel now, what do I care if it's discontinued after? I guess other than parts availability when compared to 2.0 and 3.6.

I'll definitely look closer at the etorque. Only reason I was shying away was the reading about issues with the expensive 48v battery pack and charging issues. in addition that generator/motor attached to the front of the engine is going to be another 1-1.5k to replace when it goes out, and how available is that going to be? Aux battery going out and needing replaced didn't seem like a big deal to me. That was my logic anyway, please correct me if I'm wrong.
The 48v battery is warrantied for 8 years. Most hybrid batteries last 10-15 years typically according to research. Will the Jeep eTorque system last that long, nobody knows. But with RAM and Jeep using the system they seem heavily invested in it.

You won't find many (if any) complaints from people with eTorque. I didn't have a choice when I bought mine. It was 2.0, diesel, or 3.6 w/eTorque. I wanted the 3.6 so I ordered it. I tried to do as much research as I could on eTorque before I bought it, but Jeep doesn't do a very good job explaining it. Now that I am approaching 2 years and zero issues with it, I have no complaints. It drives great, I don't ever turn the start / stop off as it is so smooth. I wouldn't have sought the eTorqure system out, but I am also not concerned with having it now. Many other things seem to be less reliable than eTorque, haha.

Drive them all and pick the one that feels the best for your daily driving!
 
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The 48v battery is warrantied for 8 years. Most hybrid batteries last 10-15 years typically according to research. Will the Jeep eTorque system last that long, nobody knows. But with RAM and Jeep using the system they seem heavily invested in it.

You won't find many (if any) complaints from people with eTorque. I didn't have a choice when I bought mine. It was 2.0, diesel, or 3.6 w/eTorque. I wanted the 3.6 so I ordered it. I tried to do as much research as I could on eTorque before I bought it, but Jeep doesn't do a very good job explaining it. Now that I am approaching 2 years and zero issues with it, I have no complaints. It drives great, I don't ever turn the start / stop off as it is so smooth. I wouldn't have sought the eTorqure system out, but I am also not concerned with having it now. Many other things seem to be less reliable than eTorque, haha.

Drive them all and pick the one that feels the best for your daily driving!
I've read about people having 48v battery issues with the etorque system, this was a while back, so I'll need to dig to find it, but for the most part I don't really see any fuss over it, you're right. I'm not so concerned about "how reliable is this new, or while it's under warranty", it's more about ME doing the servicing after warranty, and the etorque and 48v battery seems like a bigger hassle to me down the road. It might never give me a problem, and this is a stupid consideration but it's in my head.
 
 







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