When does production start again?

[Ohio Hiker]

Hopefully people will spend on saving for future problems and reduce unnecessary material purchases. The rule still applies, save 6 months of income no matter how much you need to sacrifice to get there.

Some people just aren't wired that way, nor do they care. My younger brother (47 yo) for instance...he has consistently defaulted on loans, has no savings and hasn't had a desire to improve his financial standing. Him and his gf received their stimulus money last week ($4900) and they blew through it in 2 days, and i'm not talking about stocking up on groceries, paying bills, etc. They blew the money on needless spending. The sadness of it all, no-one in the family was shocked by this.

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[cosine]

Honestly, I don't see it. I wish I did, but I just don't. Especially once we have a vaccine, I see things going right back to the way they were, ready to get blind sided by the next disaster.

As an example, my local school district is still peddling the possibility of having high school graduation completely as normal, and people in the community are largely for it if social media is anything to go by (which, trust me, I'm not a social media fan). Let me repeat: In a few weeks, in a state that was in the top five for number of virus cases, people are clamoring for a traditional gathering of thousands of people in an enclosed area to take place just as it always has. If that doesn't paint a bleak picture, we just had a local food attraction open back up this past weekend, and people formed lines blocks long - this is while we're still under a shelter in place order.

I think we're going to see the opposite of a "new normal." I know it's pessimistic, but I think we're going to see a hunger to return to normal as quickly as possible. Just ask the dudes carrying automatic rifles outside your state capital. And no, I don't mean the capital police.

i can see your point and could see things going back to the way things are. i can see it either way. right now ny is still on a holding pattern and still unclear as to when things will open up. i'm working in a hot spot that seems to gone back to somewhat normal. still a lot of businesses are close. the bad thing is the covid numbers are still climbing. this town needs to shut down and be in a containment zone. people just dont get it and i'm getting a little tired in telling people to back off. business are telling people "no mask. no service". which is good because people are just walking around with out anything and getting pissed off in not being serviced.

in all honesty, i just dont know how things are going to be in the next few weeks. i'm hoping not, but i can see the numbers will keep on climbing in the hot spot. the dumb thing is that today the governor is dumb found as to why certain areas number of cases are still climbing. i'm like no $h*t @$$h*le. start listening to the county exec. and start taking actions. anyway, it is what it is and only time will tell.

 

[rallydefault]

i can see your point and could see things going back to the way things are. i can see it either way

Yes, we'll have to see. I live in a county in PA that's in the top 10 of cases. Things are still pretty locked down around here, but certain counties are starting to reopen. I don't understand. We're going to have like one or two weeks of people feeling like things have gone back to "normal," but then you're gonna start to see the spread again.

We're just not taking the steps necessary to effectively squash this like some other countries have (New Zealand, South Korea) until we get a vaccine or very effective therapy. I know we're all allergic to anything that even hints at "socialism" or bigger government or whatever, so I guess as a collective we've decided it's worth potentially hundreds of thousands of easily-saved lives to say we're not gonna give government more control over us.

 

[Marlon_JB2]

It's official!!!
Stay-At-Home order has been extended to May 28th *however* there are provisions for us to start running on May 11th! (next Monday) however that's not going to happen. It'll be May 18th.

BACK TO WORK!

 

[nerubi]

Letter to Jeep union workers from UAW, some starting Monday, the rest on the 18th.

Stay safe Marlon and make sure those JLs come out fast and well-built.

 

[Tone]

It's official!!!
Stay-At-Home order has been extended to May 28th *however* there are provisions for us to start running on May 11th! (next Monday) however that's not going to happen. It'll be May 18th.

BACK TO WORK!

So you're saying theirs a chance I might get my Rubicon? haha stay safe

 

[txj2go]

This will be interesting- JLs are selling but selling very slowly. Where will they put the new ones?

 

[Amaruq]

Thankfully, They’re going to make all the sold orders first.

 

[Ohio Hiker]

So you're saying theirs a chance I might get my Rubicon? haha stay safe

 

[Wranglernator]

Honestly, I don't see it. I wish I did, but I just don't. Especially once we have a vaccine, I see things going right back to the way they were, ready to get blind sided by the next disaster.

As an example, my local school district is still peddling the possibility of having high school graduation completely as normal, and people in the community are largely for it if social media is anything to go by (which, trust me, I'm not a social media fan). Let me repeat: In a few weeks, in a state that was in the top five for number of virus cases, people are clamoring for a traditional gathering of thousands of people in an enclosed area to take place just as it always has. If that doesn't paint a bleak picture, we just had a local food attraction open back up this past weekend, and people formed lines blocks long - this is while we're still under a shelter in place order.

I think we're going to see the opposite of a "new normal." I know it's pessimistic, but I think we're going to see a hunger to return to normal as quickly as possible. Just ask the dudes carrying automatic rifles outside your state capital. And no, I don't mean the capital police.

Here's the problem. None of these policies, stay-at-home, social distancing, or even the case & death models themselves, are based on real science (peer reviewed studies with known outcomes). This is essentially one big real time experiment with all of our lives. Never before has the policy for communicable diseases been to quarantine everybody. This is utterly ridiculous. In every other pandemic, they quarantined the sick and the vulnerable, and let everyone else go about their lives and make the economic engines work (including hospitals and doctor's offices, which are failing right now).

Not only is this not a proven method to fight pandemics, but it could actually make the population less safe. I've read epidemiologists say herd immunities for covid (and other diseases) are compromised if everyone is isolated. Although covid mutates, if it spreads as widely as we think, maybe we should all just get it over with and get the antibodies, rather than being like Indians in the 18th Century being totally defenseless from smallpox.

And as to your last point, yes, people are fed up, because common sense tells them this self-inflicted economic suicide and constitutional infringements are insane and intolerable. I heard the Riverside, CA Sheriff on the radio yesterday say he wouldn't enforce the Governor's orders, and that he did not want a "new normal." He wants the old normal with our constitutional protections of liberties. And he asked, why is a law enforcement officer advocating this instead of the ACLU? They are too busy making sure prisoners are released and homeless get their hotels and drugs.

Anyway, get to work UAW guys, I have a Rubicon Unlimited to order!

 

[nerubi]

Someone with a medical degree and a law degree specializing in constitutional law. Let's nominate this guy to head the CDC and SCOTUS.

 

[Wranglernator]

Someone with a medical degree and a law degree specializing in constitutional law. Let's nominate this guy to head the CDC and SCOTUS.

This is the exact mindless appeal to authority bEcAuSe ScIeNcE that got us in this ridiculous mess.

In a republic, (representative government based on popular sovereignty and consent of the governed) unelected scientists don't make policy. They make recommendations to our elected leaders; and when they fuck up, we get to criticize them. You don't need a PhD in Statistics to know the IHME models have all been horribly wrong, unless you've been staying-in-cave, and the federal and state governments have based their policies on these models.

And yes, actually I am a law professor. Not to appeal to authority or anything.

 

[rallydefault]

@Wranglernator
Sorry, but I disagree.

There is plenty of science backing up the effectiveness of the various policies; the only reason you're not seeing many peer-reviewed studies being published yet is simply because there has not been enough time. The results in countries that have actually (note that word) followed guidelines (South Korea, New Zealand, as I mentioned) speak for themselves. The U.S. is made up of various states that have followed or not followed the distancing and quarantine regulations to various degrees. Any chance this country had at utilizing those strategies failed from the get-go when some people refused to follow them. Now, if you want to look at countries that have followed these strategies and have minimized the virus far beyond where we are and still declare there is no actual evidence because you need to a see a peer-reviewed article, that's up to you.

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Scientists know the virus spreads from person-to-person through droplets from the body (as many illnesses do): sneezing, coughing being the primary vectors, obviously. Can you explain what part of that fact doesn't reinforce social distancing as a beneficial thing to do?

Herd immunity has been tossed around in some corners of the science community, yes. Britain gave that a spin for a few weeks. How did that work for them? And if you go that route, you are essentially abandoning your at-risk populations. You may say to just quarantine the at-risk groups, but be real: that is incredibly difficult to do nowadays. And there is still not enough scientific evidence to even declare that antibodies provide resistance, much less immunity to Covid-19.

There is lots of scientific evidence out there. Just because you don't want to acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't there. Unfortunately, even science has become political these days. It's just my hunch, but I feel like you listen to a different echo chamber than I do, so... I don't know. Back to that whole thing. Whatever. I don't really belong to any tribe, so toss whatever label you want at me, doesn't matter.

I don't know you and you don't know me, but my impression from your post comes off as clouded by emotion and personal investment on one side of the equation. You have a jeep on order, and you want your jeep, so get back to work. That's fine, but you need to be big enough to admit that that may cloud your judgment. On my side, I'm in the higher at-risk category and I have neighbors who have lost family members to the virus, therefore I am more prone to advocate for doing anything we can to save lives. I also have a father and wife who are dentists, not "full" doctors, but are more knowledgable about this sort of thing than the rest of us not in the medical field.

 

[nerubi]

This is the exact mindless appeal to authority bEcAuSe ScIeNcE that got us in this ridiculous mess.

In a republic, (representative government based on popular sovereignty and consent of the governed) unelected scientists don't make policy. They make recommendations to our elected leaders; and when they fuck up, we get to criticize them. You don't need a PhD in Statistics to know the IHME models have all been horribly wrong, unless you've been staying-in-cave, and the federal and state governments have based their policies on these models.

And yes, actually I am a law professor. Not to appeal to authority or anything.

Not our state - governor just on tv today saying all models make predictions based on past data not policy. His decisions are based on the doctors from one of the leading infectious disease centers in the world, not the only liberal law professor in the state of California.

 

[Amaruq]

Cool. So... production resumes May 18?

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