Valvoline Restore and Protect Question

[dragoneggs]

Maybe someone can do some long term testing over multiple oil changes submitting samples to Blackstone Labs for analysis.

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[YBABRAT]

Maybe someone can do some long term testing over multiple oil changes submitting samples to Blackstone Labs for analysis.

I have been posting about Restore and Protect here on oil topics. On my second round. It cleans slowly, so check at 2k intervals. Change out at 5k. I guarantee your oil will be the darkest oil you have done with your engine. Filter may show fine flakes left over from break-in that found pocket areas to settle. I recommend flooring it time to time when engine is warmed up. After 1st change with second use of Restore and Protect, oil pressure should be around 32 to 33psi on warm days. 30 to 31 on 20°F to 36°F days. I swear I got .5psi more from use. Still working on the long term 2nd change to send 1st and 2nd 2.5k an 5k interval samples to Blackstone.

 

[Dale's Jeep]

About 800 more miles i will be on my 2nd round with this oil at 80,000 total miles so we shall see if anything is different. I change oil and filter every 5,000 miles along with tire rotation.

 

[Pape]

I received a reply back from Lake Speed regarding his recommendation for using Restore and Protect in my new JLURX. This will be my go to motor oil.

I was expecting him to bring the APi SP rating as in one of is video about mobile1 he mentioned API SP is for DI engine. Calcium is reduced helping with slow speed pre-detonation.

 

[YBABRAT]

I was expecting him to bring the APi SP rating as in one of is video about mobile1 he mentioned API SP is for DI engine. Calcium is reduced helping with slow speed pre-detonation.

There is a bit of magic with newer engines with high compression. Oil is the key player in cooling pistons. There are oil squirter / quencher areas built into the rods to direct oil at the hot areas, to assist splash method in rotating. If deposits accumulate on surface areas cooling is hindered. Does not matter if oil meets or exceeds specs.

I have been hit by winter temps so I cannot say if oil temps have dropped a degree or more on my second oil change. All I see is oil temp being 10°F below engine temp, mostly until driving home after work where it can reach engine operating temp of 185°F. I do have fully opened hood vents on my Rubicon and custom air flow mods at oem grill.

There has been discussion about detonation and like oil there are purists and soothsayers. Us purists want 89 octane and 3k to 5k max on oil changes and to keep oil and its viscosity at spec.

 

[Pape]

There is a bit of magic with newer engines with high compression. Oil is the key player in cooling pistons. There are oil squirter / quencher areas built into the rods to direct oil at the hot areas, to assist splash method in rotating. If deposits accumulate on surface areas cooling is hindered. Does not matter if oil meets or exceeds specs.

I have been hit by winter temps so I cannot say if oil temps have dropped a degree or more on my second oil change. All I see is oil temp being 10°F below engine temp, mostly until driving home after work where it can reach engine operating temp of 185°F. I do have fully opened hood vents on my Rubicon and custom air flow mods at oem grill.

There has been discussion about detonation and like oil there are purists and soothsayers. Us purists want 89 octane and 3k to 5k max on oil changes and to keep oil and its viscosity at spec.

Not sure I understood your point, can you elaborate?

 

[jellis4148]

So, I am no oil expert, but looking at the specs of the Valvoline, and looking at Penzoil Ultra plantinum in 0W-20 it looks like the Penzoil is better. Unless I'm reading the specs wrong, which is a possibility.

 

[YBABRAT]

So, I am no oil expert, but looking at the specs of the Valvoline, and looking at Penzoil Ultra plantinum in 0W-20 it looks like the Penzoil is better. Unless I'm reading the specs wrong, which is a possibility.

The reason why... Penzoil does nothing to clean and keep clean. Also it is nothing like it was in the 1st year of production... which a lot of interweb hype is based with. Restore and Protect has a new base... like what Penzoil stated with Platinum. The base uses a newly developed protection formula that does not fit today's standards.... it is too advanced to be compared, and is based on a higher standard. Most all the reviews from Valvoline and independent long term users based on the Pentastar.

To condence why an oil can't do both... the oil that gas a high shear tollarance has a low ability to keep an engine clean, and visa versa. Their formula can do both effectively.

There was a YouTube video of factory Valvoline testing lab that explained why their oil is better than commercial oils. I have a Pentastar so... If you have a turbo with 40k+ mileage... use a limited operation of Valvoline Restore... not Restore and Protect. It's a fast cleaner designed to deep clean. Operate it for 500 miles and change oil filter. Keep doing a 500 mile filter replacement. With every filter take it apart to examine particals to verify cleaning effectiveness.

Once the cleaning cycle is complete use what ever oil that you prefer for your oil change.

 

[jellis4148]

The reason why... Penzoil does nothing to clean and keep clean. Also it is nothing like it was in the 1st year of production... which a lot of interweb hype is based with. Restore and Protect has a new base... like what Penzoil stated with Platinum. The base uses a newly developed protection formula that does not fit today's standards.... it is too advanced to be compared, and is based on a higher standard. Most all the reviews from Valvoline and independent long term users based on the Pentastar.

To condence why an oil can't do both... the oil that gas a high shear tollarance has a low ability to keep an engine clean, and visa versa. Their formula can do both effectively.

There was a YouTube video of factory Valvoline testing lab that explained why their oil is better than commercial oils. I have a Pentastar so... If you have a turbo with 40k+ mileage... use a limited operation of Valvoline Restore... not Restore and Protect. It's a fast cleaner designed to deep clean. Operate it for 500 miles and change oil filter. Keep doing a 500 mile filter replacement. With every filter take it apart to examine particals to verify cleaning effectiveness.

Once the cleaning cycle is complete use what ever oil that you prefer for your oil change.

I have the 3.6. I change the Penzoil Ultra platinum every 3,000 miles or 3 months no matter what. I'm not against using the Valvoline. I'm 100% all for anything that will give me longevity. Like I said, I don't know what half of those numbers mean or what is good and bad. If the Valvoline is really that much better then I'll switch to it. I have right at 50,600 on my 3.6.

 

[YBABRAT]

I have the 3.6. I change the Penzoil Ultra platinum every 3,000 miles or 3 months no matter what. I'm not against using the Valvoline. I'm 100% all for anything that will give me longevity. Like I said, I don't know what half of those numbers mean or what is good and bad. If the Valvoline is really that much better then I'll switch to it. I have right at 50,600 on my 3.6.

Nobody runs their Pentastar as hard as I. I will floor it and reach 100MPH going up steep grades. Though 89 Octsne is my minimum.

Mine was purchased used with 82K on ODO. Changed out oil with Restore and Protect at around 85K... milage grew from Texas to Virginia and 60 miles round tripfor a on work days few weeks.

Mystery original oil was cleaner than expected 5k total from last recorded oil change. At 2.5k Restore and Protect was much darker than the oil it replaced. Though it leveled off some by 5k. Dark but not like Dino from a 70s v8 at 3k.

Still below 1.5k on 2nd run... will see how it looks soon, as for how much more needs cleaned . I assume some darkening but not like on the first run.

All oils will leave residue from combustion. Its heat is far greater than 500°F of which most oils cannot survive long and will break down. The break down will create varnish in engine and carbon build up on rings. Those two issues will happen even though your oil changes are around 3k to 5k. Overtime you will loose compression and possible issues with VVT, if varnish makes the VVT system gummy. Electronic controled oil pressure is used to controll valve timing, which is critical to a Pentastar engine's operation

 

[jellis4148]

So I should switch to the Valvoline completely, or just for a couple of oil changes?

 

[Tncdrew]

@YBABRAT , Thanks for all your posts about the V R&P. I appreciate all your thoughts. Regarding the viscosity in your 3.6, are you sticking with the factory recommended 0W-20?
I was just curious...
This Valvoline product looks interesting!

 

[jbcrane]

I've been using Pennzoil Platinum every change (hard to find Ultra Platinum around here), with OCI's around 3K. My last change (1k miles ago) I switched to Mobil 1 EP and engine continues to sound happy. I just picked up some of this VR&P and will run it next round. It'll be interesting to see what the oil & filter looks like. Mine's running great and I'll do what ever is required to keep him happy.

 

[YBABRAT]

@YBABRAT , Thanks for all your posts about the V R&P. I appreciate all your thoughts. Regarding the viscosity in your 3.6, are you sticking with the factory recommended 0W-20?
I was just curious...
This Valvoline product looks interesting!

Stick with 0w-20. The soothsayers tell you wrong as a band aid. They prefer to not fix their issues and to just run thicker oil. If I followed them I prolly would have spun a bearing from lack of oil returning to pan at high RPMs, by now.

 

[YBABRAT]

I've been using Pennzoil Platinum every change (hard to find Ultra Platinum around here), with OCI's around 3K. My last change (1k miles ago) I switched to Mobil 1 EP and engine continues to sound happy. I just picked up some of this VR&P and will run it next round. It'll be interesting to see what the oil & filter looks like. Mine's running great and I'll do what ever is required to keep him happy.

I have no doubts on your engine running perfectly. Mine was the same when I took it home. Just no history of the make of oil used over time and high milage. I decided to try something to help later on, before issues arise. Did not cost me anything extra so I plan on using it, just because it seems to do everything well at 5k oil change intervals.

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