Turbo Swap

[virkdoc]

Ok will go with the Banks Pedal Monster.
Any forum discount they offer?

There's numerous threads on the Pedal Commander and Banks Pedal Monster to reduce the lag. I havent tried the the Pedal Commander so I can't comment on that one. I chose the Banks Pedal Monster because it keep the stock reverse sensitivity.

I have a 4xe with 2.0t. I tried C&N CAI and Borla exhaust with minimal noticeable difference for the money. The Banks PM was a game changer when it came to reducing lag. I can't say it actually increases HP but it absolutely bring the response you expect to reduce the lag and put the power at the pedal when you want it. Its a simple plug and play and requires no tuning or modifications.

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[Whistle Pig]

If you want to remedy turbo lag, buy a tuner NOT a pedal monster or commander. The pedal monster is only intercepting the drive by wire signal before the ECM receives it, remapping it and telling the ECM you are pressing the pedal down further than you actually are. All these devices do is change sensitivity and essentially take your money. To save your money, just push the accelerator down further. Think of it as a glorified potentimeter because that is all it really is. It absolutely will not increase HP or torque because it can't but a tuner will. The Banks Pedal Monster is fail safe and is the only throttle sensitivity device that is. If something goes wrong with the pedal monster, it will default to stock all other brands leave you stranded or disconnecting them to get back on the road.

 

[virkdoc]

Honestly dont want to be messing with a tune at this point of time. If the commander solves my issue I will be happy with it. Here in India the average speeds are horrendously low but a lot of stop and go traffic.....

 

[KIZEMAN]

If you want to remedy turbo lag, buy a tuner NOT a pedal monster or commander. The pedal monster is only intercepting the drive by wire signal before the ECM receives it, remapping it and telling the ECM you are pressing the pedal down further than you actually are. All these devices do is change sensitivity and essentially take your money. To save your money, just push the accelerator down further. Think of it as a glorified potentimeter because that is all it really is. It absolutely will not increase HP or torque because it can't but a tuner will. The Banks Pedal Monster is fail safe and is the only throttle sensitivity device that is. If something goes wrong with the pedal monster, it will default to stock all other brands leave you stranded or disconnecting them to get back on the road.

The "push the pedal harder" idea is simply not true. When you push it harder and faster, you still get the lag and then response.

If your goal is HP and Torque increase and racing your brick on the weekends, tuning and other mods (much more costly) are the route for you.

If you want to increase the responsiveness and feel that you actually control the input and get throttle response when YOU want it, give the PM a shot.

It has a great impact on your initial acceleration, and in the slowing then accelerate needs in real world driving, like approaching a round about. Simply put, you feel like you can control the acceleration, not constantly wait for the inputs, turbo, etc. Adjust the settings to your liking and I think you'll appreciate the difference.

 

[Whistle Pig]

Go

The "push the pedal harder" idea is simply not true. When you push it harder and faster, you still get the lag and then response.

If your goal is HP and Torque increase and racing your brick on the weekends, tuning and other mods (much more costly) are the route for you.

If you want to increase the responsiveness and feel that you actually control the input and get throttle response when YOU want it, give the PM a shot.

It has a great impact on your initial acceleration, and in the slowing then accelerate needs in real world driving, like approaching a round about. Simply put, you feel like you can control the acceleration, not constantly wait for the inputs, turbo, etc. Adjust the settings to your liking and I think you'll appreciate the difference.

If your happy, that is all that matters

 

[Zandcwhite]

The "push the pedal harder" idea is simply not true. When you push it harder and faster, you still get the lag and then response.

If your goal is HP and Torque increase and racing your brick on the weekends, tuning and other mods (much more costly) are the route for you.

If you want to increase the responsiveness and feel that you actually control the input and get throttle response when YOU want it, give the PM a shot.

It has a great impact on your initial acceleration, and in the slowing then accelerate needs in real world driving, like approaching a round about. Simply put, you feel like you can control the acceleration, not constantly wait for the inputs, turbo, etc. Adjust the settings to your liking and I think you'll appreciate the difference.

All the pedal commanders do is emulate pushing the pedal quicker and farther than you are. You can 100% get the same effect with your right foot. The 2.0t makes more torque than the 3.6L by ~2200rpm. Go hard on the throttle from a stop and tell me how long it takes to pass that point. The lag is minimal and only at low rpms in my experience if you're quick on the throttle. If you don't want to drive like that then a pedal controller can do it for you but it's not doing anything you can't. Granted when we put the tune on our 2019 it was a full second quicker 0-60 so I'd go there over spending money on a pedal controller but to each his own.

 

[virkdoc]

Ok so this is confusing me.....simple question is will the lag go away?
If yes I will go for it. If anyone's firsthand experience says otherwise then it's a different issue

 

[KIZEMAN]

Ok so this is confusing me.....simple question is will the lag go away?
If yes I will go for it. If anyone's firsthand experience says otherwise then it's a different issue

In my experience with the 2.0 and automatic, yes. The best way I can describe it is that the pedal will keep you closer to the throttle/turbo response you desire.

I like a more spirited response and feel like I get what I need with the PM. Im not sure what the Amazon situation is like is India but best advice I can give is pick up up and toss it in - 10 minute install. If you don't like it, send it back.

Here's a thread I started a few months ago that helped me decide to try one.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-or-banks-pedal-monster-which-and-why.157550/

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Has anyone swapped out the OEM turbo for an aftermarket turbo to increase HP, Torque, and Performance? Something like the Prodigy Performance Turbocharger System. If so, what was the results? Did it provide the improved performance you were looking for? And would you recommend it to others?

I’m considering either a turbo upgrade or an engine swap (392).

I know I've stated it on here before.

Go over to the RAM forums. I know for a fact that on the EcoDiesel sections of the RAM forums, they have already done a turboswap and subsequent tune to utilize that bigger turbo.

For whatever reason, the RAM owners typically do more stuff in the engine bay versus us who do more stuff everywhere but the engine bay.

So if you ever have a question about a Mopar related engine, I would head over to the RAM forums, even if you don't have a pickup truck. They're going to be much more help than 90% of us over here.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I know I've stated it on here before.

Go over to the RAM forums. I know for a fact that on the EcoDiesel sections of the RAM forums, they have already done a turboswap and subsequent tune to utilize that bigger turbo.

For whatever reason, the RAM owners typically do more stuff in the engine bay versus us who do more stuff everywhere but the engine bay.

So if you ever have a question about a Mopar related engine, I would head over to the RAM forums, even if you don't have a pickup truck. They're going to be much more help than 90% of us over here.

I don't think the ram forum is the place to look for the 2.0t performance mods though? The alfa romeos use the same 2.0t so their forum could prove helpful.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

I don't think the ram forum is the place to look for the 2.0t performance mods though? The alfa romeos use the same 2.0t so their forum could prove helpful.

No, you're not going to find people on the ramp forum who have upgraded the turbo on there, what you are going to have people who are knowledgeable in upgrading Mopar brand engines with bigger turbos.

At the end of the day, they're all Fiat engines. So going to a place where people actively modify these Fiat engines, going to find a lot of similarities. There might be five or six people on this whole Wrangler website who have modified the turbo on our Wrangler engines.

Going to the RAM forums, you'll find tens to hundreds of people who've done it. While the engines aren't going to be exactly the same, there are going to be a lot of similarities between Fiat engines, And they could probably give OP a much better heading than we could.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

I don't think the ram forum is the place to look for the 2.0t performance mods though? The alfa romeos use the same 2.0t so their forum could prove helpful.

If you can find a thread like THIS here on the Wrangler forums, I will happily bow out.

Otherwise, the RAM forums are going to have a lot more experienced upgraded turbo people.

I understand it's a different engine, but the know how is there. Over here we're just a bunch of Google search warriors with no real world experience upgrading the turbo on these Fiat engines.

 

[KIZEMAN]

All the pedal commanders do is emulate pushing the pedal quicker and farther than you are. You can 100% get the same effect with your right foot. The 2.0t makes more torque than the 3.6L by ~2200rpm. Go hard on the throttle from a stop and tell me how long it takes to pass that point. The lag is minimal and only at low rpms in my experience if you're quick on the throttle. If you don't want to drive like that then a pedal controller can do it for you but it's not doing anything you can't. Granted when we put the tune on our 2019 it was a full second quicker 0-60 so I'd go there over spending money on a pedal controller but to each his own.

I understand what you’re saying and mostly agree, but I don’t think it’s only pedal position. The pedal is part of the equation, but there’s also programming beyond that input. I agree a Pedal Monster doesn’t add torque or horsepower or change quarter-mile performance.

The right solution really depends on the goal. I was responding to @virkdoc, who was looking for better low-speed response in stop-and-go driving, not the OP’s separate question about a turbo upgrade or engine swap.

For that use case, I think the Banks Pedal Monster is a solid solution—better drivability and response, DIY install, and a low cost of entry. A full tune or turbo swap seems like overkill for low-speed, stop-and-go driving.

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