Turbo Engine Doesn't Justify Price?

[Jeepster2018]

Thought I recall here on this site on one of the invoice and retail price sheet that was posted in the past week. Assuming the price is accurate for now.

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[digitalbliss]

Thought I recall here on this site on one of the invoice and retail price sheet that was posted in the past week. Assuming the price is accurate for now.

As far as I know, the turbo is not able to be ordered. Last pricing info I saw, was that the admin here and dealer guy were saying that the turbo would end up costing somewhere in between the base 3.6L price and the 3.6L with auto price. $1400 would be in between those, but I dont recall ever seeing it.

 

[McCloude]

Turbo lag is no fun....

Here are some comments from Lurvis33 in another thread..

“Please feel free to check my math but I think the 3.6L Auto is actually still the more efficient engine over the 2.0L...

So based on my local gas station (Lewisville, TX) it’s
$2.23 for 87 Octane (What the 3.6L needs) and
$2.89 for 91 Octane (What the 2.0L needs)

Let’s say we use 20 gallons of the 21.5 gallon tank that the 4 door has.
3.6L: 20 gallons X $2.23 = $44.60 per tank refill
2.0L: 20 gallons X $2.89 = $57.80 per tank refill

Well the 2.0L gets better gas mileage you say (Which it does)….
3.6L: 18/23 = 20.5 mpg avg
2.0L: 21/24 = 22.5 mpg avg

So how many miles does each engine get you?
3.6L: 20.5 mpg X 20 gal = 410 miles
2.0L: 22.5 mpg X 20 gal = 450 miles

So basically you get 40 miles more for $13.20 more. If you fill up every 2 weeks that’s 26 fill ups in a year. It will ultimately give you 1,040 more miles but also cost you about $343.20 (gas prices will fluctuate as well) more a year to drive the 2.0L over the V6. I love the idea of all that the 2.0L has to offer but when you factor in all of the things that could break on the 2.0L Turbo (Mild Hybrid) I’m starting to lean back towards the proven V6. What are y'all thinking?”

I would've added one more math stat (using his numbers).

3.6: 410 miles / $44.60 = ~9.2 miles / $
2.0: 450 miles / $57.80 = ~7.8 miles / $

 

[Jeepster2018]

Correct, turbo cannot be ordered as of yet. I thought I recall it showing a separate price of $1,400 on top of the $2,000 for the auto.

As far as I know, the turbo is not able to be ordered. Last pricing info I saw, was that the admin here and dealer guy were saying that the turbo would end up costing somewhere in between the base 3.6L price and the 3.6L with auto price. $1400 would be in between those, but I dont recall ever seeing it.

 

[Jeepster2018]

I guess with all the numbers and the performance in the miles per gallons and maintenance of a turbo I'm still not seeing any advantage of going with the turbo over the V6. I guess maybe if they were identical in price then I would opt for the turbo.

I would've added one more math stat (using his numbers).

3.6: 410 miles / $44.60 = ~9.2 miles / $
2.0: 450 miles / $57.80 = ~7.8 miles / $

 

[McCloude]

I guess with all the numbers and the performance in the miles per gallons and maintenance of a turbo I'm still not seeing any advantage of going with the turbo over the V6. I guess maybe if they were identical in price then I would opt for the turbo.

Now I cant account for the 3.6 V6. I personally drive a 2.3L turbo mustang ecoboost now. The turbo lag is noticeable. As for extra maintenance. There really isn't any from a stock engine. I did add an oil catch can due to it being direct injected. But it's something I empty when doing oil changes.. so that's not really much more..

But you can easily flash it for more performance / torque. For Ford... it would void the warranty, so I never did that.

 

[digitalbliss]

Correct, turbo cannot be ordered as of yet. I thought I recall it showing a separate price of $1,400 on top of the $2,000 for the auto.

Its not showing on the pricing info thread https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-price-w-invoice-sport-s-sahara-rubicon.2388/ (unless I missed it).

 

[Jeepster2018]

Interesting. I owned previous a Mini Cooper with a turbo engine I forget at what miles interval it was, but there was a major routine service needed at one point for the turbo engine.

Now I cant account for the 3.6 V6. I personally drive a 2.3L turbo mustang ecoboost now. The turbo lag is noticeable. As for extra maintenance. There really isn't any from a stock engine. I did add an oil catch can due to it being direct injected. But it's something I empty when doing oil changes.. so that's not really much more..

But you can easily flash it for more performance / torque. For Ford... it would void the warranty, so I never did that.

 

[Jeepster2018]

That is not the correct link. If I have time in the next day or so I'll try to look it up but it was on one of the scanned images showing prices with the codes for each item

Its not showing on the pricing info thread https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-price-w-invoice-sport-s-sahara-rubicon.2388/ (unless I missed it).

 

[McCloude]

Interesting. I owned previous a Mini Cooper with a turbo engine I forget at what miles interval it was, but there was a major routine service needed at one point for the turbo engine.

Now if the dealer does something special when I take it in for oil changes.. no idea. The bolt on catch can is on me, but I'm willing to bet they would empty that as well.

 

[Renegade]

More choices is more better! I’ve always preferred to have the 6-cylinder engines in my Jeeps (when I wasn’t swapping in an 8) but would certainly not prejudge this new 2.0 turbo. With proper tuning it might be pretty good. I can see it now: “It’s a turbo Jeep thing...you wouldn’t understand.”

 

[McCloude]

The worst part about the turbo 4.. for me... is the sound. It sounds like a glorified weed wacker.

 

[CantThinkOfAHandle]

We need to see real world mileage comparisons between the two engines. Right now, we're just guessing. And we'll want to look at the percentage difference rather than the raw MPG difference: the lower the MPGs, the more each additional one matters.

We also need to see instrumented comparison tests for performance. Subjective reviews that claim one engine is "smoother" or "peppier" than the other mean nothing to me.

Presumably, FCA would not offer the turbo, especially as an upgrade, without reason.

 

[Jeepster2018]

So given the miles per gallon and cost ratio and for how long it would take to actually break even on the engine difference what exactly do you see as a benefit comparing the turbo to the 6?

More choices is more better! I’ve always preferred to have the 6-cylinder engines in my Jeeps (when I wasn’t swapping in an 8) but would certainly not prejudge this new 2.0 turbo. With proper tuning it might be pretty good. I can see it now: “It’s a turbo Jeep thing...you wouldn’t understand.”

 

[Jeepster2018]

Not so sure...A different thread someone had commented it’s only for Europe purposes is why they are offering it. I could almost see a turbo in a GC, but in a Wrangler, it just doesn’t sound like the right fit.

We need to see real world mileage comparisons between the two engines. Right now, we're just guessing. And we'll want to look at the percentage difference rather than the raw MPG difference: the lower the MPGs, the more each additional one matters.

We also need to see instrumented comparison tests for performance. Subjective reviews that claim one engine is "smoother" or "peppier" than the other mean nothing to me.

Presumably, FCA would not offer the turbo, especially as an upgrade, without reason.

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