Thinking about a change

[Oncorhynchus]

If you want to buy a Toyota, then buy one. We don't need the story of why. You can just stop posting. I can assure you there quality isn't any better. Isn't almost every 2022-2024 Tundra non-hybrid getting a new engine? That just screams quality to me. They are boring outdated vehicles and just as big of a piece of crap as any other new car made..

The big difference between Toyota and Stellantis is that Toyota is willing to sacrifice profits to regain its reputation.

remember this?

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-12-05-fi-123-story.html

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[Oncorhynchus]

Cars are getting better and cheaper in general. Yet, people choose not to believe it.

Feelings have a tendency of getting in the way of facts.

 

[autotragic]

The big difference between Toyota and Stellantis is that Toyota is willing to sacrifice profits to regain its reputation.

remember this?

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-12-05-fi-123-story.html

I was 6 years old so no I don't remember it. An 8000 car recall in 1989 doesn't really move the needle anymore

 

[azjl#3]

only 15 pages in 5 days, you guys can do better!

 

[Oncorhynchus]

I was 6 years old so no I don't remember it. An 8000 car recall in 1989 doesn't really move the needle anymore

The Tundra recall will cover 100,000 vehicles and cost Toyota up to half a billion dollars. They did not try to figure out which vehicles actually have the problem or attempt to clean up the debris inside the engine blocks. They are replacing the engines outright.


https://www.torquenews.com/1084/toy...0000-tundra-engines-dealer-says-we-have-4/amp

 

[Flor1]

I didn’t leave Jeep
jeep left me

 

[Oncorhynchus]

Here’s the Top Gear view of alternative: Defender, G-Wagen, Grenadier, Land Cruiser

 

[autotragic]

The Tundra recall will cover 100,000 vehicles and cost Toyota up to half a billion dollars. They did not try to figure out which vehicles actually have the problem or attempt to clean up the debris inside the engine blocks. They are replacing the engines outright.


https://www.torquenews.com/1084/toy...0000-tundra-engines-dealer-says-we-have-4/amp

Yes that much is all obvious, I still don't know what your point is.

 

[Oncorhynchus]

Yes that much is all obvious, I still don't know what your point is.

They are willing to pay a high price to protect their reputation whereas many other automakers caught ina similar situation will try to weasel their way to a partial fix that only a bean counter could love.

 

[mgroeger]

I’ve had Jeeps for years (and before them IH Scouts). I have become ever more disenchanted as Jeeps have grown larger and more complex, while becoming more difficult to DIY repair. Medicore build quality, poor ride, and laughable “service” at dealerships combined with ludicrous pricing have taken the shine off the Apple. Buddy got a new Land Cruiser and frankly it’s nicer than anything Jeephas ever thrown together. I’m not into extreme rock crawling which is perhaps the only area Jeep will outperform the LC. It’s quieter, rides a Lot better, is much better built and has an actual dealer network that services them. Dunno if I’ll jump just yet or not but if I trade the JL off, I’m 99% sure it’ll NOT be for another Jeep

Why are you wasting our time bitching about a product you are saying you won't buy? Go away and enjoy your Toy.

 

[Oncorhynchus]

Why are you wasting our time bitching about a product you are saying you won't buy? Go away and enjoy your Toy.

 

[2019JLUS]

I’ve had Jeeps for years (and before them IH Scouts). I have become ever more disenchanted as Jeeps have grown larger and more complex, while becoming more difficult to DIY repair. Medicore build quality, poor ride, and laughable “service” at dealerships combined with ludicrous pricing have taken the shine off the Apple. Buddy got a new Land Cruiser and frankly it’s nicer than anything Jeephas ever thrown together. I’m not into extreme rock crawling which is perhaps the only area Jeep will outperform the LC. It’s quieter, rides a Lot better, is much better built and has an actual dealer network that services them. Dunno if I’ll jump just yet or not but if I trade the JL off, I’m 99% sure it’ll NOT be for another Jeep

You probably feel this way because you rarely drop your top. Your jeep is literally a convertible. Go get the besttop etop and report back

 

[mgroeger]

Yeah... he got me! LOL!

 

[R3TRO]

I'll comment based on the price increases alone... Not as bad as you think. Here's cost breakdown of same build (close as I could) to my Willys JLU.

$45,500 - 2020 Willys hardtop, auto, safety1, headliner
$51,500 - 2024 Willys hardtop, auto, safety/convenience, headliner

$6,000 +13%

Not bad considering I now get locking rears, 33" tires, 4.10 gears, Command-Trac, larger screen, heated seats, tow package, passive entry, side airbags. Everything else is a carry over.

Idk, price increase for this seems about right to me? Some things they do make you bundle as I couldn't get safety package without bundling it with convenience package.

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