Spongy throttle solution

[rickinAZ]

As many of us have commented, it appears that Jeep has tuned the diesel with a noticeable flat spot just off initial throttle application. The best explanation I have heard is that fuel economy drove that decision. Soft throttles save fuel. Yesterday I installed a Pedal Commander, a product that I would previously written off as snake oil.

It worked.

The install was (very) easy with the toughest part being the contortions I needed to perform to work under the dash. You younger folks will have no problem. The end result is simple. You push on the accelerator and the Jeep goes. Goes just like it should have in the first place. Only downside is, with a Scangauge, a Tazer, and now a throttle enhancer, the excess cabling makes my behind dash area look like the wiring loom from the space shuttle.

I was gung ho on the Banks PedalMonster, but it wasn't available for 2021s until Springtime, and it complicated the cabling mess further by utilizing the OBD port that my Scangauge uses. Adding a splitter would just be too much.

p.s. Obviously it does not impact power levels in any way, but the RIGHT NOW power delivery makes the butt dyno take notice. I have it set on City +1. Highly recommend.

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[Ruby Clatterbox]

I looked at one of these, but 300.00 seemed like a bit out of my comfort range. Is it really that good?

 

[wibornz]

I use the Hike It throttle commander. It works amazing. I had also wrote it off as snake oil. Then rode in a JL with one installed and immediately was sold on it.

HIKE IT-XP PREMIUM

It has many driving modes and an auto mode to boot. The Hi-performance mode is kind of crazy. The jeep goes from idle to wide the fuck open with a slight touch of the pedal. I would not recommend this to be used in HI performance mode in a parking lot. You will likely run someone over or climb on top of cars trying to park. It is also hard on tires. It will spin the tires trying ot back up or taking off with out trying. Make the Jeep feel super sporty. I love it on a sunny day with the top off and the doors off and in Hi performance mode. I never wheel in Hi-performance mode. It would be a great way to crash your Jeep and flip it upside down. There is a off road mode that works great. It makes the throttle require a lot of pedal input, so you can more easily control the throttle application. Makes rock crawling and general off-roading way more manageable.

There is a cruise control mode that I use often. It softens the throttle input for going up hills or picking up speed and helps with mileage.

There are more modes, just go read about it. Each mode is custom adjustable from 1-9 for setting.

I run mine in the eco 4x4 mode set at 5 for off-roading, find myself leaving the cruise control mode set at 8 for the streets or in sport mode set at 9.

 

[Ruby Clatterbox]

Cheaper with no bluetooth (which I won't need anyway). This forum is costing me $$$. Just ordered a Hike it with black face. 10% off with code "jkgear" even for my JL.

 

[rickinAZ]

I use the Hike It throttle commander. It works amazing. I had also wrote it off as snake oil. Then rode in a JL with one installed and immediately was sold on it.

HIKE IT-XP PREMIUM

It has many driving modes and an auto mode to boot. The Hi-performance mode is kind of crazy. The jeep goes from idle to wide the fuck open with a slight touch of the pedal. I would not recommend this to be used in HI performance mode in a parking lot. You will likely run someone over or climb on top of cars trying to park. It is also hard on tires. It will spin the tires trying ot back up or taking off with out trying. Make the Jeep feel super sporty. I love it on a sunny day with the top off and the doors off and in Hi performance mode. I never wheel in Hi-performance mode. It would be a great way to crash your Jeep and flip it upside down. There is a off road mode that works great. It makes the throttle require a lot of pedal input, so you can more easily control the throttle application. Makes rock crawling and general off-roading way more manageable.

There is a cruise control mode that I use often. It softens the throttle input for going up hills or picking up speed and helps with mileage.

There are more modes, just go read about it. Each mode is custom adjustable from 1-9 for setting.

I run mine in the eco 4x4 mode set at 5 for off-roading, find myself leaving the cruise control mode set at 8 for the streets or in sport mode set at 9.

The HIKE-IT looks like a good alternative. I had to laugh when their website suggested that sport mode is good for towing. [Good luck trying that]

 

[Ruby Clatterbox]

BTW Rick and Ted, thanks for testing these out. I really wanted something to correct the maddening lag that only seems to happen when you really want/need the thing to respond without using something that alters the computer settings. I'm thinking it's gonna be money well spent.

 

[ItsNo4RE]

As many of us has commented, it appears that Jeep has tuned the diesel with a noticeable flat spot just off initial throttle application. The best explanation I have heard is that fuel economy drove that decision. Soft throttles save fuel. Yesterday I installed a Pedal Commander, a product that I would previously written off as snake oil.

It worked.

The install was (very) easy with the toughest part being the contortions I needed to perform to work under the dash. You younger folks will have no problem. The end result is simple. You push on the accelerator and the Jeep goes. Goes just like it should have in the first place. Only downside is, with a Scangauge, a Tazer, and now a throttle enhancer, the excess cabling makes my behind dash area look like the wiring loom from the space shuttle.

I was gung ho on the Banks PedalMonster, but it wasn't available for 2021s until Springtime, and it complicated the cabling mess further by utilizing the OBD port that my Scangauge uses. Adding a splitter would just be too much.

p.s. Obviously it does not impact power levels in any way, but the RIGHT NOW power delivery makes the butt dyno take notice. I have it set on City +1. Highly recommend.

I have the PC on my ram 1500... downrite scarey on sport plus modes, lol. This will be my first mod after I receive my wrangler

 

[Compression-Ignition]

Just out of curiosity, would any of you guys say that after you picked up your 3.0L, you "drove it like you stole it"? Just wondering if it isn't necessarily the program per se, but the programs reaction to how it adapted to the driver?

I just never felt the throttle was lacking in any way shape or form. After adding heavy 37's I felt a noticeable bog that I attribute to gearing that is no longer perfectly matched. And even with the winter 315/70r17's on I can still tell it isn't perfect. Close, but not perfect. I no longer romp on it at the same level due to the larger tires. Just not quite ready to force myself into the axle upgrade decision. But when I do decide to get froggy sometimes, it does not let me down. Full boogie is just a pedal stomp away, no sponginess at all.

 

[Ruby Clatterbox]

I've found if you try to nail the go pedal, it doesn't seem accelerate as fast as when you roll into throttle especially from a dead stop. I would think the system would adapt within a few hundred miles to whatever your driving style is.

 

[rickinAZ]

Just out of curiosity, would any of you guys say that after you picked up your 3.0L, you "drove it like you stole it"? Just wondering if it isn't necessarily the program per se, but the programs reaction to how it adapted to the driver?

I just never felt the throttle was lacking in any way shape or form. After adding heavy 37's I felt a noticeable bog that I attribute to gearing that is no longer perfectly matched. And even with the winter 315/70r17's on I can still tell it isn't perfect. Close, but not perfect. I no longer romp on it at the same level due to the larger tires. Just not quite ready to force myself into the axle upgrade decision. But when I do decide to get froggy sometimes, it does not let me down. Full boogie is just a pedal stomp away, no sponginess at all.

Roy, your point is a good one, and the learning process may work, but I suspect that the devices provide a more intense experience. And...I'm only talking about the more conservative setting (like I'm using). You really have to feel it for yourself to fully appreciate. Pedal Commander offers a 30 day try-it-you'll-like-it period, and the install is just 5-10 minutes. In other words, trying it is relatively painless all the way around.

But...you won't want to return it.

p.s. They are running a $50 off special right now. [And, they don't collect sales tax.]

 

[ItsNo4RE]

Roy, your point is a good one, and the learning process may work, but I suspect that the devices provide a more intense experience. And...I'm only talking about the more conservative setting (like I'm using). You really have to feel it for yourself to fully appreciate. Pedal Commander offers a 30 day try-it-you'll-like-it period, and the install is just 5-10 minutes. In other words, trying it is relatively painless all the way around.

But...you won't want to return it.

p.s. They are running a $50 off special right now. [And, they don't collect sales tax.]

Exactly! I was a naysayer for a looong time. I bought one used for my ram.... all I can say is that I'm a firm believer now... btw, im a hardcore modifier so if I'm telling you this makes a tremendous difference, it does. Edit** at highway speeds, at full open throttle this does absolutely nothing. This is mostly for off the line, and slow then accelerate situations.

 

[Compression-Ignition]

Roy, your point is a good one, and the learning process may work, but I suspect that the devices provide a more intense experience. And...I'm only talking about the more conservative setting (like I'm using). You really have to feel it for yourself to fully appreciate. Pedal Commander offers a 30 day try-it-you'll-like-it period, and the install is just 5-10 minutes. In other words, trying it is relatively painless all the way around.

But...you won't want to return it.

p.s. They are running a $50 off special right now. [And, they don't collect sales tax.]

I get what they do. I have a similar device on my 6.7L F350. It really gives that truck a stupid amount of throttle response/sensitivity. Zero dead pedal when I have it on.

I don't see the need for one with the wife's JLURD. When I put the pedal to the floor it moves. No delay. My F350 has a delay for sure. I'm glad you guys are happy with them and I 100% believe that they work. I just wanted to join the discussion and pose that question, as I seem to have a very different experience.

 

[Compression-Ignition]

I've found if you try to nail the go pedal, it doesn't seem accelerate as fast as when you roll into throttle especially from a dead stop. I would think the system would adapt within a few hundred miles to whatever your driving style is.

This is what I'm talking about. We brought the Jeep home and after my wife and kids went to sleep I took the Jeep and flogged the everloving piss out of it. I put 100+ miles on it that night including some cool down cycles. Hard to say if that sort of thing could have an effect on the computers learning, but I have to imagine it does.

 

[rickinAZ]

This is what I'm talking about. We brought the Jeep home and after my wife and kids went to sleep I took the Jeep and flogged the everloving piss out of it. I put 100+ miles on it that night including some cool down cycles. Hard to say if that sort of thing could have an effect on the computers learning, but I have to imagine it does.

But, perhaps it would also unlearn if you went back to more sedate driving. ???

Like I said, I was the world's #1 skeptic when it came to these products. And, for heaven's sake, please don't tell me that CAIs and cat-backs work also - because they are STILL on my snake oil list.

 

[Compression-Ignition]

But, perhaps it would also unlearn if you went back to more sedate driving. ???

Like I said, I was the world's #1 skeptic when it came to these products. And, for heaven's sake, please don't tell me that CAIs and cat-backs work also - because they are STILL on my snake oil list.

I don't think mine unlearns, because she drives it way more than I do and it still acts the same for me.

I just know this, if I put my foot to the floor in my F350 it lumbers off at a sloths pace. If I put my foot to the floor in the wife's Jeep it explode's off the line like a sprinter.

After I put the Edge Amp'd Throttle Booster on the 6.7L, it'll smoke the tires. No extra power, just a lot closer to instant access to the gobs of power it has stock. Thing is stupid quick for a stock 8000lb pickup. Still makes me giggle sometimes

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