Solid State Battery Replacements

[roaniecowpony]

Hopefully, between the Japanese engineers and Elon Musks engineers, something usable will be ready soon.

I remember when one of our 787s Li batteries had a fire and Musk publically volunteered to help. Shortly thereafter, there were several Tesla fires in the press.

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[USNvet]

So, basically, "Put up, or Shut up" for Ford, and others for Solid State??

In the Motorcycle video:
They really liked the EV motorcycles, and that was a good thing. Lots and lots of power.

I expect all auto companies are working on solid state, and since this Donut Lab battery still needs to be proven, they might as well continue with all promising projects.

Last year Stellantis made a deal with a solid state battery company, but nobody seems to be saying much about it:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Milestone-in-Solid-State-Battery-Development

Regarding the Verge electric bikes, they say these new solid state donut batteries will be ready for market in the higher priced bike model in about two months. Why are they priced so high? Probably because the first to be shipped will end up in the labs of every company interested in dissecting these batteries, so the Donut Lab company and Verge might as well gouge them!

 

[Zandcwhite]

I expect all auto companies are working on solid state, and since this Donut Lab battery still needs to be proven, they might as well continue with all promising projects.

Last year Stellantis made a deal with a solid state battery company, but nobody seems to be saying much about it:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Milestone-in-Solid-State-Battery-Development

Regarding the Verge electric bikes, they say these new solid state donut batteries will be ready for market in the higher priced bike model in about two months. Why are they priced so high? Probably because the first to be shipped will end up in the labs of every company interested in dissecting these batteries, so the Donut Lab company and Verge might as well gouge them!

Or...a battery with 10x the energy density is worth substantially more from its benefits of weight savings and increased range? I don't remember the manufacturer, but a.protype solid state battery in a model 3 resulted in a significant weight savings and more than double the range at over 700 miles. Anybody that owns/ uses an EV of any kind would jump at the chance to double the range and save weight at the same time.

 

[USNvet]

Here it is a few days later and several more videos on the Donut batteries have come out. One or two are calling this out as a probable scam, but provide no proof either way.

Then today, YouTube offered me a couple of videos from two related channels with low subscriber counts called Miss GoElectric Industry and the second is just Miss GoElectric.

Wow, Miss Go has taken an incredibly deep dive into Donut Lab, where they came from, who owns or controls them, where does the money come from, the technology, etc., etc. It appears there are two Finnish brothers, both of whom call themselves the CEO over this or that part of connected businesses, and they come from a rich family in the tractor parts business. They have received millions in government grant money, plus there is a billionaire on tap lurking in the background, and it is not Elon. So if this is a scam, they have much to lose and nothing to gain they don't already have!

Miss Go Electric's deep technology dive:


And her interview with the other brother at CES Las Vegas:

 

[THAW]

Here it is a few days later and several more videos on the Donut batteries have come out. One or two are calling this out as a probable scam, but provide no proof either way.

Then today, YouTube offered me a couple of videos from two related channels with low subscriber counts called Miss GoElectric Industry and the second is just Miss GoElectric.

Wow, Miss Go has taken an incredibly deep dive into Donut Lab, where they came from, who owns or controls them, where does the money come from, the technology, etc., etc. It appears there are two Finnish brothers, both of whom call themselves the CEO over this or that part of connected businesses, and they come from a rich family in the tractor parts business. They have received millions in government grant money, plus there is a billionaire on tap lurking in the background, and it is not Elon. So if this is a scam, they have much to lose and nothing to gain they don't already have!

Miss Go Electric's deep technology dive:


And her interview with the other brother at CES Las Vegas:

Hopefully, you've seen this video that also has discussion on the tech and info on the CEO/company background:

 

[USNvet]

Hopefully, you've seen this video that also has discussion on the tech and info on the CEO/company background:

Yes, that Aussie dude is one of the naysayers I watched. Funny thing is, he posted one of the first announcements of the new batteries before that one. I think he is just looking for click bait viewers.

I'll attach another naysayer video below. Both of these guys just seem to be going with "it's too good to be true", therefore there can't possibly be anything to it school of thought. I need more proof, too, but shall wait to see if the promised release of the Verge bike with new battery tech takes place at the end of the quarter. If the company turns the release into a never ending stall announcement, then it's time to call it BS. Note that Miss GoElectric has one on order, and the CEO told her during her interview hers is scheduled to be shipped this year.

 

[THAW]

Yes, that Aussie dude is one of the naysayers I watched. Funny thing is, he posted one of the first announcements of the new batteries before that one. I think he is just looking for click bait viewers.

I'll attach another naysayer video below. Both of these guys just seem to be going with "it's too good to be true", therefore there can't possibly be anything to it school of thought. I need more proof, too, but shall wait to see if the promised release of the Verge bike with new battery tech takes place at the end of the quarter. If the company turns the release into a never ending stall announcement, then it's time to call it BS. Note that Miss GoElectric has one on order, and the CEO told her during her interview hers is scheduled to be shipped this year.

I found it interesting Donut Lab didn't have an actual battery at CES (they were all display dummies).

The line in the press video about slowing the Verge motorcycle charge rate so riders have "time to get a latte" was fishy.

It'd be great if they've got something revolutionary, but I'm a skeptic. My bet is they have something interesting and perhaps evolutionary, but are intentionally and essentially dishonestly overhyping it.

 

[USNvet]

I found it interesting Donut Lab didn't have an actual battery at CES (they were all display dummies).

The line in the press video about slowing the Verge motorcycle charge rate so riders have "time to get a latte" was fishy.

It'd be great if they've got something revolutionary, but I'm a skeptic. My bet is they have something interesting and perhaps evolutionary, but are intentionally and essentially dishonestly overhyping it.

You're right, as overhyping this may be making it look more fishy instead of helping them brag about the technology.

As for not having any real batteries on display, but instead substituting them with 3D printed plastic mockups, several videographers have brought that up. But think of it this way, if this new tech is for real and available nowhere else on the planet, at this point it is priceless. If you owned the Hope diamond, would you display it on a pedestal at a trade show where a mob could come along to smash and grab and sell to China! Not me.

If you watch the Miss GoElectric videos they say the 5 minute charging will need cooling while charging, but is possible at the 10c rate of charge. They should have just gone with the lower/slower 5c charge rate I think level III Tesla stations provide in ten minutes! The Verge bike is already heavy, and adding water cooling would make it that much heavier, so stop for the latte.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as it sure would make for a nice 4xe battery replacement. Four of those modules, which fit in the verge bike, would provide 33kWh of juice, or nearly double the present 4xe battery size, weigh about 125 lbs, and will provide that juice at 400 volts, so perfect!

 

[THAW]

If you watch the Miss GoElectric videos they say the 5 minute charging will need cooling while charging, but is possible at the 10c rate of charge. They should have just gone with the lower/slower 5c charge rate I think level III Tesla stations provide in ten minutes! The Verge bike is already heavy, and adding water cooling would make it that much heavier, so stop for the latte.

Yes, I just saw that, makes sense.

 

[DaltonGang]

Very promising. I'm hopeful it is for real, and not another scam.

 

[DaltonGang]

Any new news, on this subject??

 

[Dabrakeman]

I think there is a small segment of "Boy Racer" motorcyclists that would go for an electric bike but for most of us motorcycling is just too mechanical in nature. On the other hand, I could get into electric snowmobiles but the range anxiety thing is at another level for sledders.

 

[THAW]

Any new news, on this subject??

If you're referring to the Donut Lab battery, the company has released a series of videos on it called "I donut believe":


And then, of course, there's all sorts of video reactions to the the Donut Lab videos; it appears to me the YouTube battery scientists are impressed by some of the released information, but still find it curious significant information is being withheld. A main outstanding question surrounds the energy density claim. And, there is some question about heat dissipation for a larger battery (as opposed to a small, passively-cooled motorcycle battery).

 

[ym0bc1]

Someone I know in China recently swapped the main battery to an LTO battery. Good result.
But you would need to buy the cell and build the circuits.
http://xhslink.com/o/1tDhLw2E3yX

 

[USNvet]

Any new news, on this subject??

As Thaw has mentioned, the Donut Lab company has released videos of tests of their solid state pouch cells. Each Monday they release a new teaser video, but each test only covers some particular feature they have bragged about. Most of these tests are being done by an independent government lab, so supposedly legitimate.

One of the three pouch cells submitted for testing lost its vacuum during the high temp testing, but continued to work at a lower output. The latest test video put that failed pouch cell through 50 charge/discharge cycles, and no fire and it continued to work, so there could be something to this.

The next test, whatever it may be, will not be released next Monday, but instead it will come out on April Fools day, so no telling what the company is up to with that. They had promised to release the first Verge bikes using these batteries by the end of March, so they are running out of time to meet that goal!

As has been mentioned, they have yet to prove the 400 Kwh to Kg power output, which they could show simply by weighing the pouch cells they submitted for testing. Personally, even if they simply matched the output of lithium wet cells, these batteries would be a great improvement in safety anyway.

The best YT reviewer of this technology seems to be the Two Bit da Vinci channel by Ricky Roy. After each weekly Donut video release, he takes a deep dive into just what each test shows. Here is a link to his latest review. I think he is beginning to believe this solid state battery might be for real!

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