Pricing Difference (1997 Window Sticker)

[word302]

Hah! Pretty much. Just watched a bunch of death wobble videos on YouTube and that is DEFINITELY what I am dealing with. I was on the highway and hit a patch of new pavement when it started. I was in the right lane on high guard waiting to see if anything went wrong so I didn't freak out, but still scary as hell.

How old are your tires?

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[Amalm]

Have the tires been rotated or have they been sitting with flat spots for some time now? Haha

 

[Jeepster2018]

Agree.

More importantly, the JL is a totally different vehicle, safety alone is night and day.

Guys...let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill here. Adjust these prices for inflation, and we can have a real conversation. Don't forget that inflation will double the price of a commodity roughly every 18 years. And a 95 YJ and 18 JL are not even comparable from a capability and technology perspective.

 

[Fred]

From my 2003 Rubicon.

 

[Jeepster2018]

Yeah I owned a TJ as well, 1997, think it was around $26,500 for the Sport, gosh night and day difference between what they did from the TJ to the JL, less so from the TJ to JK.

The refinement brought to the JL almost brings it to a new level with overall structural and safety.

From my 2003 Rubicon.

 

[DaveNH]

That base of $19, 200 is $29,523 adjusted for inflation.

That said, inflation is policy, and not a feature of a market economy. All else equal, a market economy is deflationary over time.

 

[Nkyzr2]

Better torque / horsepower - same fuel efficiency, hmmm.... I only averaged 18 with my 2000 Sahara (stock). I do miss the 4.0 though.

 

[DaveNH]

Better torque / horsepower - same fuel efficiency, hmmm.... I only averaged 18 with my 2000 Sahara (stock). I do miss the 4.0 though.

Well, weight certainly matters.

A TJ Rubicon had a curb weight of 3832#, compared to 4,145# for JL Rubicon.

 

[guarnibl]

Well, weight certainly matters.

A TJ Rubicon had a curb weight of 3832#, compared to 4,145# for JL Rubicon.

Interesting. Yeah, it's gotten a lot heavier. My TJ with Rubi axles and a Hemi weighs less than a stock '06 Rubi (assuming it's 3832). JL is down on weight though, so that's nice.

 

[LS7]

Ok, I'm dating myself here, but I paid $3,100 for my 1966 CJ5 Tuxedo Park. Within a couple of years I probably invested another $1,000 to install a Chevy 327, T10 four speed, Saginaw steering, change differential ratios from 4.88 to 4.27, etc. I now wish I would have left it stock, but it was a lot of fun at the time.

 

[That One Guy]

Well, weight certainly matters.

A TJ Rubicon had a curb weight of 3832#, compared to 4,145# for JL Rubicon.

That actually speaks better for the JL than the TJ.

 

[DaveNH]

That actually speaks better for the JL than the TJ.

To an extent. However, given the technological improvement in engines/ transmissions over the past 30-40 years, one would hope for a bit better than simply maintaining. That's goes for automobiles in general, which are almost universally heavier, but mileage hasn't improved that much.

 

[That One Guy]

To an extent. However, given the technological improvement in engines/ transmissions over the past 30-40 years, one would hope for a bit better than simply maintaining. That's goes for automobiles in general, which are almost universally heavier, but mileage hasn't improved that much.

I say it from the standpoint that the wrangler has gotten much larger, and is burdened with many more emissions, crash, and other regulations--all increasing weight.

I don't know of a vehicle other than maybe the miata that hasn't been forced to get heavier in the last 15-20 years

 

[DaveNH]

I say it from the standpoint that the wrangler has gotten much larger, and is burdened with many more emissions, crash, and other regulations--all increasing weight.

I don't know of a vehicle other than maybe the miata that hasn't been forced to get heavier in the last 15-20 years

Oh, I agree, that's part of my point. Cars SHOULD get much better mileage, but despite the vast improvement in technology, they've been burdened with so many mandates. Auto makers must toe the line between two conflicting government mandates... safety mandates which result in weight gain, which directly impact the ability to meet CAFE mileage requirements.

 

[That One Guy]

Oh, I agree, that's part of my point. Cars SHOULD get much better mileage, but despite the vast improvement in technology, they've been burdened with so many mandates. Auto makers must toe the line between two conflicting government mandates... safety mandates which result in weight gain, which directly impact the ability to meet CAFE mileage requirements.

That being said, some brands have been quite successful, particularly with cars. I test drove some new Honda's, and it's crazy how good the mpg is even oon the powerful sporty models

Same goes for VW and Ford

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