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[Grayhound]

I don't believe Texas has ever seen -40 degree weather!

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[Grayhound]

Sure does feel like it sometimes though..

Honestly anything beneath 55°f is freezing if you ask me!

I feel 70 is my floor. Anything below that is cold. That's unfortunate as I live in Michigan...

 

[Ratbert]

The real kicker is that each of those three bottles, if you read what's in them, it's basically the same damn thing in different bottles.

Extreme diesel has anti-gel properties and cetane and lubricant, but so does the LX4 and the Winterizer as well. It's basically the same damn thing with three different labels and one of them has red dye in it.

The main thing here is, if we have another freak storm like we did last year and it decides to drop down to single digits this year, good luck getting your hands on some Hotshots Winter Defense. Everyone's going to be sold out, so why not plan ahead.

So you paid for all three, which are apparently chemically identical? And you're thinking you require that "protection" just in case it gets cold? Man, I wonder how those of us in colder climates survive without this stuff.

 

[autotragic]

I feel 70 is my floor. Anything below that is cold. That's unfortunate as I live in Michigan...

That's why it's important that we all do our part and really pump up our CO2 emissions numbers so we don't have to deal with winter anymore. These climate activists got it all wrong and they don't know what they're talking about they don't understand that a lot of us are sick and tired of winter and need warmer weather and if there's any war that humans could win it's got to be the war on winter.

 

[Ratbert]

Sure does feel like it sometimes though..

Honestly anything beneath 55°f is freezing if you ask me!

I was shocked when I first moved to Colorado from a high-humidity climate. The stupidly low humidity makes the 40s feel comfortable. Ditto for the 90s.

 

[Grayhound]

I was shocked when I first moved to Colorado from a high-humidity climate. The stupidly low humidity makes the 40s feel comfortable. Ditto for the 90s.

Agreed, combine all that with altitude and my asthma is manageable...

 

[Ratbert]

So, one quart of EDT winter defense, one quart of LX4, and 2 quarts of extreme diesel, come out to $92.

Or for pretty much the same price I could have bought a gallon of EDT...

So chemically I understand they're pretty much the same thing, obviously there's minor differences like the LX4 is significantly more lubricating then the other two, the winter defense is more focused on anti-gelling, and the extreme diesel is more focused on a clean engine, but you know apples to oranges.

Yeah that's a good point man, what are you thinking @Ratbert !?

Dr. Gregory is going to prescribe to you @Ratbert a gallon of AmSoil diesel fuel additive, but not just one, four quarts of different things which all do the same thing!

Amsoil is the only thing that will truly protect your engine, and it is the best of the best of the best of the best, of the best of the best, of the best.

Shame on you John. Your diesel is probably gelling as we speak!

I'm thinking you must be a great chef. Take all of the best ingredients from all of your favorite meals and mix them together. Voila!

 

[ParadigmDawg]

We love to buy stuff for our jeeps, but I’d argue that you don’t need any of that extra stuff to run 37s. I think you have some sort of lift, you have wheels with more backspacing than stock. That’s all you need.
Not sure if you have bump stops already, if you don’t that will keep your tires from rubbing into your fender.
I got a track bar early on because I thought I had to (like a lot of stupid mods I bought before using it and finding out what I actually needed). I have stock steering, and I wheel the shit out of my 37s. I started doing that with a spacer lift before putting in taller springs. Haven’t felt the need to upgrade steering, ball joints, etc…

edit: and it’s true, every one of my friends that have gotten 35s ended up selling them for 37s.

My stock steering was shot after 3,000 miles on 37s and one of my wheeling buddies was shot as quickly. Do you "need" to upgrade, maybe not, should you do a build the proper way, with the proper equipment? Probably. I wheel a lot so my wear may be higher than normal.

A lot of the pain points that I experience on the trail are secondary to dealing with people in the group that are broken down due to parts that needed to be replaced. At that point, it is ruining part of my day too.

One of my groups are a bunch of awesome guys with "beaters" and when I go with them, I know it's going to be a low mileage day with a lot of trail work. It is still fun but I often skip this group because I want to put in some serious miles.

85% of the time I am wheeling, I go with people that have a mindset like me and that go the extra miles on Jeep maintenance. We tend to always get a lot of miles in and we have way less issues than normal.

Every single person I know that went 35s, either end up on 37s or wish they had.

 

[Mx5red]

My stock steering was shot after 3,000 miles on 37s and one of my wheeling buddies was shot as quickly. Do you "need" to upgrade, maybe not, should you do a build the proper way, with the proper equipment? Probably. I wheel a lot so my wear may be higher than normal.

A lot of the pain points that I experience on the trail are secondary to dealing with people in the group that are broken down due to parts that needed to be replaced. At that point, it is ruining part of my day too.

One of my groups are a bunch of awesome guys with "beaters" and when I go with them, I know it's going to be a low mileage day with a lot of trail work. It is still fun but I often skip this group because I want to put in some serious miles.

85% of the time I am wheeling, I go with people that have a mindset like me and that go the extra miles on Jeep maintenance. We tend to always get a lot of miles in and we have way less issues than normal.

Every single person I know that went 35s, either end up on 37s or wish they had.

Hey I agree with you, that’s why when one of my friends breaks something, I just keep driving!

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Hey I agree with you, that’s why when one of my friends breaks something, I just keep driving!

Crap....I never thought about that...lol....

 

[Ratbert]

I let my wife do all the cooking, I tend to burn things. I mean, how many people do you know have screwed up Kraft dinner three times in a row... You think it was impossible, but I proved otherwise!

It's almost as if you screwed up those dinners intentionally to get out of having to cook again in the future!

Sorry that I screwed up your favorite silk blouse Honey. I guess I shouldn't be doing the laundry, right?

 

[jeepingib]

The guy who has carved holes in his Jeep just for kicks, built his own rear window solution, front bumper, etc, etc, is convinced that 37s will break his Jeep? Come on man. Run those 37s and fix what wears out as you go.

 

[Ratbert]

I could always start off with a steering stabilizer and every month by another part, it might add up a little bit extra in the long run, but it will allow me to run 37s instead of 35s.

I might have missed it, but why do you need a new steering stabilizer? I can understand a relocation bracket once you're sufficiently lifted, but did your stabilizer get trashed or something?

 

[jeepingib]

I might have missed it, but why do you need a new steering stabilizer? I can understand a relocation bracket once you're sufficiently lifted, but did your stabilizer get trashed or something?

Right? I'm still on my stock one with my bigass heavy setup. 75k and still works fine.

 

[jeepingib]

What kind of off-roading do you do with it?

What's the hardest trail you've done with your setup?

I have already discussed this with you before. I've definitely been easier on it since I know that I'm at the limits of what I can do without breaking things, but I still get out to places like Hidden Falls, Wolf Caves, Hot Springs. I'm thinking about doing something tomorrow. Been a while...

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