Officially done.

[Jeep&dogs]

Nice pics of your shop! (A few posts back). I'm jealous! ?. Following the Ford Superduty forums a year ago when I bought my F350, this same topic was rampant over there. Fortunately, I've never experienced any DW in the SFA vehicles I've owned, but I can sure feel your frustration. Your methodical troubleshooting is to be commended. I hope you find something that keeps you interested in the 4WD world. Awesome Malibu project!!

That was when the shop was somewhat clean! Since then I have blown the Chevelle apart and have the frame out from under it…….shop doesn’t look quite as clean now! ?

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[Tncdrew]

That was when the shop was somewhat clean! Since then I have blown the Chevelle apart and have the frame out from under it…….shop doesn’t look quite as clean now! ?

That's OK! Means you're using it! ?

 

[astglenn]

What data, relevant information, personal experience do you have of this because this is absolutely untrue. The bronco is nowhere near “monumentally superior in built quality. That is simply not true. It is one of the cheapest fit and finish and build quality vehicles I’ve ever driven, seen, and researched. I’m sure it’s great and I’m not dismissing the multitude of issues on the wrangler but this is not true.

it is absolutely true. Where would you like to start ? Design parameters or mechanical construction methodology? Cheapest fit and finish? That is utter nonsense. Do you own either? You say “driven” what in the world full sized Bronco did you

What data, relevant information, personal experience do you have of this because this is absolutely untrue. The bronco is nowhere near “monumentally superior in built quality. That is simply not true. It is one of the cheapest fit and finish and build quality vehicles I’ve ever driven, seen, and researched. I’m sure it’s great and I’m not dismissing the multitude of issues on the wrangler but this is not true.

Fair question. I own both. A 2019 Sahara with mods including in-house designed steering geometry corrections. This includes a full finite element analysis model of the Sahara front end. We needed to develop that model to understand what was wrong and the execute a solution. Actually it was 3 attempts, the first two we had wrong. I am a professional engineer a Mechanical Engineer if that matters. My other degree is an MBA, from UCLA. I own the firm. Im ancient and nearly fossilized at 61. I also own a 21 Bronco / BL/ Sasquatch. I have built 2 Factory Five Cobras and one SF cobra. We race a bit. Generally one of 2 Porsche 911’s. One vintage S 2.9 and a later 3.2L 991.2. I think I understand suspension pretty well. Not the worlds expert, but we get the math and have a full fabrication facility including CNC (HAAS VF1) a big ass mandrel bender, an Omax 144x72 waterjet and full tig/mig welding suites. There is also full cad/cam Solid and Edge Works as well as Vector-cam in the shop. Other than the GT, I have personally owned every SVT/SVO vehicle that Ford has produced. I would love a GT. THE 250k sticker is a bit much. My kids kart driving instructor Joey Hand took one to the winners circle at leMons. I had hoped knowing him mighta got me a deal. No dice. You asked. So how about you? What’s your data, experience and qualifications?

 

[Howardlv22]

it is absolutely true. Where would you like to start ? Design parameters or mechanical construction methodology? Cheapest fit and finish? That is utter nonsense. Do you own either? You say “driven” what in the world full sized Bronco did you

Fair question. I own both. A 2019 Sahara with mods including in-house designed steering geometry corrections. This includes a full finite element analysis model of the Sahara front end. We needed to develop that model to understand what was wrong and the execute a solution. Actually it was 3 attempts, the first two we had wrong. I am a professional engineer a Mechanical Engineer if that matters. My other degree is an MBA, from UCLA. I own the firm. Im ancient and nearly fossilized at 61. I also own a 21 Bronco / BL/ Sasquatch. I have built 2 Factory Five Cobras and one SF cobra. We race a bit. Generally one of 2 Porsche 911’s. One vintage S 2.9 and a later 3.2L 991.2. I think I understand suspension pretty well. Not the worlds expert, but we get the math and have a full fabrication facility including CNC (HAAS VF1) a big ass mandrel bender, an Omax 144x72 waterjet and full tig/mig welding suites. There is also full cad/cam Solid and Edge Works as well as Vector-cam in the shop. Other than the GT, I have personally owned every SVT/SVO vehicle that Ford has produced. I would love a GT. THE 250k sticker is a bit much. My kids kart driving instructor Joey Hand took one to the winners circle at leMons. I had hoped knowing him mighta got me a deal. No dice. You asked. So how about you? What’s your data, experience and qualifications?

Nice credential post. you can have your opinion. Doesn’t prove anything besides that you have a lot of experience as you say, Multiple people on this forum and other platforms have done long term reviews that disagree with what you’ve said. And the broncos I’ve driven looked and felt cheaper in many regards. So I disagree. ??‍ Anyways, sounds like the guy who posted “officially done” has a ton of experience as well , hope he keeps it and fixes It ??

 

[Mudduck]

it is absolutely true. Where would you like to start ? Design parameters or mechanical construction methodology? Cheapest fit and finish? That is utter nonsense. Do you own either? You say “driven” what in the world full sized Bronco did you

Fair question. I own both. A 2019 Sahara with mods including in-house designed steering geometry corrections. This includes a full finite element analysis model of the Sahara front end. We needed to develop that model to understand what was wrong and the execute a solution. Actually it was 3 attempts, the first two we had wrong. I am a professional engineer a Mechanical Engineer if that matters. My other degree is an MBA, from UCLA. I own the firm. Im ancient and nearly fossilized at 61. I also own a 21 Bronco / BL/ Sasquatch. I have built 2 Factory Five Cobras and one SF cobra. We race a bit. Generally one of 2 Porsche 911’s. One vintage S 2.9 and a later 3.2L 991.2. I think I understand suspension pretty well. Not the worlds expert, but we get the math and have a full fabrication facility including CNC (HAAS VF1) a big ass mandrel bender, an Omax 144x72 waterjet and full tig/mig welding suites. There is also full cad/cam Solid and Edge Works as well as Vector-cam in the shop. Other than the GT, I have personally owned every SVT/SVO vehicle that Ford has produced. I would love a GT. THE 250k sticker is a bit much. My kids kart driving instructor Joey Hand took one to the winners circle at leMons. I had hoped knowing him mighta got me a deal. No dice. You asked. So how about you? What’s your data, experience and qualifications?

Pictures or its BS, next to the 911s and give me the finger. Its the internet, anyone can say or be anything. I'm actually Slovakiansplugebubblinwienernosedwatermelonfartmidgetwoman.

 

[JamesWyatt]

Had a different Wrangler about every year or two since 2011. Every JK I bought drove exactly the same regardless of the model (as with two TJs I owned before that). But the JL? It's a crapshoot in my experience. First one was 2020 JLURD that I could barely stay on the road in high wind, probably due to that aluminum steering box and who knows what else given the steering wheel was not straight at delivery. Buying a Power Wagon fixed it, lol. Went from there to a 21 Mojave – rock solid and drove even better than the Power Wagon at high speeds. Was going to stay with the JT and never go back to the Wrangler until the XR package came out (or I learned of it). Now I have a 22 Willys XR and it drives every bit as solid as the Mojave did. But the day I test drove it, I also test drove a Rubicon XR, and let's just say that vehicle was a turd by comparison – steering wheel not straight from the factory, AC would whine loudly at medium fan speed, and just overall something wasn't right with how it drove. Hell no. But what if that had been the last of the exact color I wanted? Still – HELL NO. Easier to have your Jeep repainted than deal with a semi-lemon.

Anyway, this is why I never order a vehicle and get attached to the idea that it's mine. I'm going to take the best one off the lot that's remotely close to what I want. Life's just too short to get the "bad one" and have to deal with that if you can't walk either before delivery or get rid of it soon after.

 

[astglenn]

Totally fair. Tomorrow after stinkin doctors appointment.

 

[mysto]

What’s your data, experience and qualifications?

You are apparently a bot posting "stuff" on the internet.

 

[JeepViking13]

Bye bye - Don’t let the CV boots hit on the way out the door. Another non-Jeep person we don’t have to listen to complain. ?

You know all 392 Wranglers and Wranglers equipped with the 4:1 Rock Trac full time 4 wheel drive have CV joints/boots as well right?

 

[dshark1]

it is absolutely true. Where would you like to start ? Design parameters or mechanical construction methodology? Cheapest fit and finish? That is utter nonsense. Do you own either? You say “driven” what in the world full sized Bronco did you

Fair question. I own both. A 2019 Sahara with mods including in-house designed steering geometry corrections. This includes a full finite element analysis model of the Sahara front end. We needed to develop that model to understand what was wrong and the execute a solution. Actually it was 3 attempts, the first two we had wrong. I am a professional engineer a Mechanical Engineer if that matters. My other degree is an MBA, from UCLA. I own the firm. Im ancient and nearly fossilized at 61. I also own a 21 Bronco / BL/ Sasquatch. I have built 2 Factory Five Cobras and one SF cobra. We race a bit. Generally one of 2 Porsche 911’s. One vintage S 2.9 and a later 3.2L 991.2. I think I understand suspension pretty well. Not the worlds expert, but we get the math and have a full fabrication facility including CNC (HAAS VF1) a big ass mandrel bender, an Omax 144x72 waterjet and full tig/mig welding suites. There is also full cad/cam Solid and Edge Works as well as Vector-cam in the shop. Other than the GT, I have personally owned every SVT/SVO vehicle that Ford has produced. I would love a GT. THE 250k sticker is a bit much. My kids kart driving instructor Joey Hand took one to the winners circle at leMons. I had hoped knowing him mighta got me a deal. No dice. You asked. So how about you? What’s your data, experience and qualifications?

Glad to see you have a little experience. Lol ??

 

[OBD]

Sorry to report.

I took my daughter at her word that she tried it, and it was so hot burned her chest. Carolina Reaper, they say hottest pepper, but I just sampled it and I laughed at it. I grew habanero's this summer and made salsa with 10 habaneros and couple of Jalapenos that puts that stuff to shame. Flavor is good but not enough Reaper peppers in it. I expected some heat.

I'll stuck to my homemade sauce.

A couple of years back a friend that knows I love spicy food gave me a paste he made from what he called some strain of Ghost pepper.OMFG......I have never experienced anything like it.Hell on a cracker....lol

 

[NewJLU2019]

A couple of years back a friend that knows I love spicy food gave me a paste he made from what he called some strain of Ghost pepper.OMFG......I have never experienced anything like it.Hell on a cracker....lol

Yea, Kroger sales Ghost Peppers now. Little 6 pack. They will set you on fire for sure.

 

[No IFS]

You know all 392 Wranglers and Wranglers equipped with the 4:1 Rock Trac full time 4 wheel drive have CV joints/boots as well right?

Yes, and everybody hates them. And the full-time four-wheel-drive. It’s one jeep thing that they messed up on. And I don’t have them on mine. CV boots are for cars. like IFS. Good for you sticking up for the guy who left to buy a Bronco. And dis on another Wrangler member. Good team work ?

 

[JeepViking13]

Yes, and everybody hates them. And the full-time four-wheel-drive. It’s one jeep thing that they messed up on. And I don’t have them on mine. CV boots are for cars. like IFS. Good for you sticking up for the guy who left to buy a Bronco. And dis on another Wrangler member. Good team work ?

Lol. I wasn't sticking up for anyone. Team work? Is this tag team wrestling? Also it was a rhetorical question. I wasn't dissing you. Lol

Everybody hates them? I don't know man there's an awful lot of people buying the 392 Wrangler with the CV joints/boots and talking about it like it's the King of Off-roading. ?‍

 

[Hennessey17]

And you have officially described where I am at. With the exception of do I by another Jeep and have the same issue or buy something different and likely have issues but at least not the same issue.

I know nothing about modding... but I think you got a bad one. I'm willing to bet if you bought a new one and bought new parts and started over, you'd end up fine... But that's also a lot of money... so I get the frustrations.

I think you've just had bad luck with this one... but it totally makes sense if the time and money makes you want to look elsewhere.

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