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Stellantis' current problem is North America. Especially Chrysler/Dodge and less so at Jeep.
The only remaining Chrysler product they make is the Pacifica, and it's one of their top 4 sellers overall.

Dodge I would tend to agree. They milked the Charger, Challenger, and Durango for WAY WAY WAY too long. The Hornet is a rebadged Compass no one asked for. We'll see what happens with the upcoming new Charger and Durango/Stealth, but if they' don't both generate strong sales right out of the gate it probably is time to cut Dodge loose.
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From Bloomberg newsletter e-mail this morning. Little new except the last paragraph, which indicates the board may be nearing its tolerance limit for Tavares.

Driving Workers Away
Stellantis is increasingly getting pushback from investors, dealers and unions alike over what they view as efforts by management to cost-cut their way to better earnings.

The maker of Peugeot sedans, Jeep SUVs and Ram pickups has so far responded by continuing to squeeze its workforce for more savings.

Just this week, Stellantis invited its employees in Poissy, a Paris suburb, to meet recruiters for companies including the French utility Engie and aircraft-equipment manufacturer Safran. In the weeks leading up to the forum, Stellantis offered webinars on hunting for roles elsewhere, polishing one’s résumé and preparing for job interviews.

This is nothing new for CEO Carlos Tavares, a self-described “performance psychopath.” Bloomberg first reported on Stellantis routinely sending these alerts about career fairs and services to its employees back in early 2022, roughly a year after the company was formed via the merger between Fiat Chrysler and PSA Group.

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Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares. Photographer: Oliver Bunic/Bloomberg
What worries countless people I’ve spoken to within the company is that the years of pressure Tavares has applied to Stellantis has gone too far and been detrimental to the business. Managers are exasperated to see valuable members of their teams repeatedly getting nudged to accept supposedly voluntary departure packages.

“You get an email, then you get another email, then another one,” Laurent Oechsel, a Stellantis representative for the white-collar employees’ group CFE-CGC, said in a phone interview. “Then you can get multiple phone calls if you persist in wanting to stay with the company. I call this harassment, and it’s leading to massive loss of skills.”

Scrutiny of Tavares has been mounting after waves of executive departures, plummeting first-half profit and delays of crucial new models. Some blame the blown deadlines on continuous rounds of budget cuts and a push to employ more engineers in lower-cost countries like Morocco, India and Brazil, while paring back in pricier locales, such as Paris or Detroit.

A Stellantis spokesperson said the automaker is transforming to achieve objectives with respect to electrification and facing Chinese competitors. The company has recruited almost 820 people since the start of the year in France, according to the spokesperson, who didn’t immediately provide figures on how many jobs have been eliminated or outsourced.

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Last week, Oechsel was among union representatives in France who confronted local human resources head Bruno Bertin about the difficulties their members have faced.

“Month after month, we’ve been alerting you on the negative impacts of organizational re-engineering at the executive level, but also within the procurement, engineering and software divisions,” one representative said, according to prepared remarks seen by Bloomberg. “This hunt for white-collar positions in plants, this obstinacy in wanting to externalize projects and reduce headcount, is shocking.”

The CFE-CGC blames the holdup in introducing Citroën’s new €23,300 electric car, called the ë-C3, on Stellantis outsourcing development of the platform underpinning the vehicle. The automaker has been rushing to get the car to French customers who ordered the model to take advantage of a government-subsidized EV-leasing program expiring this month.

“It seems that anything is permitted” to preserve double-digit profit margins, the CFE-CGC representatives said in the document seen by Bloomberg. “No longer investing in the future, reducing payroll, no longer allowing current expenses, no longer paying your suppliers, no longer compensating customers who have problems.”

Stellantis CFO Natalie Knight acknowledged during a conference this week that the introductions of several EV models in Europe, including the ë-C3, have been delayed this year due to software glitches that required “tinkering.”

“You have seen several of our products that have had a bit of a lag, but I do feel like we are in a much better place than we were in terms of the first half, where you had seen a couple of things slip,” she said.

Looking ahead, Knight said that over the next few years, investors “will continue to see restructurings going on in the business.”

“There are going to continue to be places where you say, do we have the right capacities, do we have the right setups?” she said, without offering specifics.

The overseer of those restructurings may be someone other than Tavares. Bloomberg was first to report this week that Chairman John Elkann has started looking for a successor to the CEO, whose contract ends in early 2026.

— By Albertina Torsoli
put aside the bad decisions for a moment and realize the labour costs compared to doing it anywhere else.

not to mention and this is by no means a small issue the EV push. gov't gives away tons of money to these companies to sell stuff no one needs because it doesn't make sense to have. then they cut that help and let the market settle back into reality.

Jeeps aren't mopeds. we dont have to hybrid or EV everything.
 

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In Europe, the price of used electric cars is collapsing. Even very recent ones. And new ones are not selling any better without public bonuses... When you want to impose what people don't want.
 

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In Europe, the price of used electric cars is collapsing.
It doesn't really make any sense to buy an out of warranty used EV. The battery is over 1/3 the total cost of the vehicle when new, the car part depreciates rapidly like any other car so that after a few years a new battery dwarfs the value of the car, and after 8 years or so the battery WILL go bad (it's not like an ICE where you could have an engine last decades and hundreds of thousands of miles if well cared for). If not for Tesla offering a fully transferable 8 year 150K mile battery warranty there'd be zero market for used ones at all.
 

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by 2030, stellantis will be an also rand of auto, sort of the kmart of cars. They are determined to turn into AMC. I cant even give them the praise of trying to be a studabaker.

I read up on stellantis goals, they are already pledged to hit 50% all electric sales in europe by 2030, and 30% by 2030 in USA.

That is a few short years away, and means they are already set production and supply wise to hit that. They wont sell the ev, but they will build them.

Meanwhile, ford, gm, volvo, bmw, vw, have all pulled back on the ev thing. And will let the market set the terms. BTW, recalling all your EV because your house may burn is not a good sales tactic.
 

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It doesn't really make any sense to buy an out of warranty used EV. The battery is over 1/3 the total cost of the vehicle when new, the car part depreciates rapidly like any other car so that after a few years a new battery dwarfs the value of the car, and after 8 years or so the battery WILL go bad (it's not like an ICE where you could have an engine last decades and hundreds of thousands of miles if well cared for). If not for Tesla offering a fully transferable 8 year 150K mile battery warranty there'd be zero market for used ones at all.
i can see where some enterprising kid, figures out how to dismantle and remove the old cells, and install new cells for a fraction of the 10 or $20,000 they will cost in a decade.
 

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It doesn't really make any sense to buy an out of warranty used EV. The battery is over 1/3 the total cost of the vehicle when new, the car part depreciates rapidly like any other car so that after a few years a new battery dwarfs the value of the car, and after 8 years or so the battery WILL go bad (it's not like an ICE where you could have an engine last decades and hundreds of thousands of miles if well cared for). If not for Tesla offering a fully transferable 8 year 150K mile battery warranty there'd be zero market for used ones at all.
It’s pretty common for Tesla’s to go 200,000 or 300,000 miles before a battery swap is necessary. It’s highly unlikely the turbo 2.0 in our jeeps will last much more than 100,000 miles. Battery degradation in EVs is not a widespread problem.
 

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This just in, WSJ:

Automaker Stellantis STLA 1.83%increase; green up pointing triangle is taking “drastic measures” to shore up the Jeep and Ram parent’s finances, including a belt-tightening approach known internally as the “doghouse” that seeks to put stricter limits on external spending.

article also said they will be suing UAW for threatening a strike.

Like I thought.

You see even though the union thinks they won the right to tell the company they needed to hire more workers, no judge would ever rule in favor of that, a company has a right to manage, not the workers. If the workers were that smart, why didnt they start jeep, or dodge...
 

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All manufacturers guarantee batteries for 8 years and 160,000 km, not just Tesla !
If used electric cars don't sell, it's because of their high price, comparable to the price of new gasoline cars (no government bonus on électric used cars).
 

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just diving in here way late, but that was what is called a hit piece (meaning the original article).

For these "journalists", all they need to do is find 1 person on X that says they are not happy about something and then float the premise that everyone is upset.

I mean, business expands and contracts. True, better businesses are able to withhold that, but not all companies are structured that way. Some companies binge hire and binge fire.

Anyways, I'm not some sort of fanboy but thought I would try to put it in perspective. I agree the pricing is off the rails. This indicates some issues overall. Typically, in such cases companies go into a sort of defensive mode and appear to be taking in as much possible cash flow as they can.

I presume, that they are struggling with loan balance now, as alot of big companies. The interest rates hit these companies bottom lines hard.

im not sure my point, but just take these articles with a grain of salt.
 

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In Europe (France) the Renault Zoé
has been in production for over 10 years. There hasn't been much feedback because of the battery (li-ion) and neither has Tesla. I simply think that the electric car product is out of step with the customer. Battery life is not the immediate problem.
 

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Because they haven't been in widespread use long enough. Lithium Ion batteries have a limited number of charge cycles in them, doesn't matter if it's an EV an eBike or a cell phone. It's just chemistry.
It looks like the batteries are generally outliving the life of vehicles like Tesla, I'm not sure comparing automotive batteries to bicycle and cellphone is the way to go.
 
 







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