orey22
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Correct, there's always one.The Ape has no Rev Limiter. Every Forum has at least one, easier and less stressful to scroll on down to next post.
Since the wrangler has no real competition, jeep can lead us anywhere and the sheep will follow. Fortunately it sounds like jeep is making some good powertrain improvements. Can't wait to see all the specs on what's ahead, especially mpg and towing.If the manual is going to be a Tremec, it's gonna be a hard call, because both options are excellent choices. I'm also in the camp that the NSG370 was not a good transmission for the JK. As I've mentioned in other threads, it should have died with the TJ. It's competent enough to get the job done, but it's OLD. It's noisy, it rattles the shifter too much, and there's a 50/50 chance your TOB is either toast or is in some state where it's gonna head that way. It literally feels cheap in a vehicle that averages a $30k or more cost.
This begs the question about how Jeep is gonna handle updating the Wrangler in the future as well. Granted, the Pentastar was a much welcomed update in 2012, but the fact that Jeep is still charging damn near $2,000 for the antiquated UConnect systems they put in the JK that were already outdated when they debuted ten years ago is absolutely insane. Infotainment, technology systems, and even powertrains in automobiles are changing so rapidly, Jeep is going to need to keep up with the times and keep the Wrangler more fresh than a decade at a time.
And that's the point really, which is why I'm getting both. No need for people to use old wives' tales to jusify that choice.People get pretty silly over these debates. Buy what you want. Buy what makes you happy. That's what I'm going to do.
I've got just a wee bit more than a year's experience with Jeeps. I guess it has escaped you that I currently own more Jeeps than you do, unless there's some you're not listing in your profile.I guess they could always make an authoritative declaration from one year's experience with one variant like yourself.
I own my son's Wrangler. Do you own your Dad's Wrangler? If so, then you win.I have 3 Jeeps like your profile states you have, I have 2 Wranglers like yours says, and a Grand Cherokee (which I don't put in my as it's a Wrangler forum, but have refrenced many times before). Yet, those aren't the only Jeeps I've owned, nor driven.
Although unlike you, I don't count my dad's Wrangler, the way you seem to include your son's TJ in your profile.
SOoo.. does that mean I have more Jeeps and Wranglers than you?
In general, simpler designs such as a manual transmission are less prone to failure, longer lasting, and cheaper to repair and replace than more complex designs such as an automatic transmission.However, it seems obvious that while we're discussing modern Wrangler transmission, I've had far more experience with the models we're comparing with variations on each (as detailed on the previous page), versus your admittedly limited single year with one variant as you stated earlier in the thread. So I know enough to know they both have their good and bad, and have exerpeinced the differences first hand between engines and even within the same platforms (like the variations on the 5-speed pre-post 2012/2013 and the 6-speed pre-post 2011/2012).
Regardles, you're the one putting forth unsupported theories, so old wife or not the burden of proof is upon you, and you've come nowhere close to that.
You're far less credible than the magazines you imply to have greater authority than.. based on your single year ownership of the transmission and trail anecdotes.
I missed the part where anything was proven to be an "old wives' tale" or not, but I would agree with @DanW that it all comes down to preference. Most folks aren't going to be pondering this thread, or the zillions of others just like it in other forums, as they head to the dealer to buy their new JL. They will have likely formed their opinion long ago, and will stick with their preference, regardless of any magazine articles, wives's tales, irrefutable facts and figures, or forum troll's authoritative declarations. And a few rare birds (and apes) will decline to make a decision either way and go buy both.
But hey, this is a relatively new forum, so aren't we required to have this ages-old debate one more time? @DarthMall, who created this thread must have thought so. Probably did it for the entertainment value! I for one am looking forward to the next go-round of this flame-bait topic in the JM Wrangler Forum!
It wasn't my initial intention when I created this thread. I just wanted to see what transmission people were going to be ordering. But I do have to admit it has turned into a pretty entertaining debate.:cwl: