"It's a Jeep thing" Tolerance

[Todkavonic]

This all boils down to how much a person likes his/her Jeep. If you like it, problems big and small, major and trivial, kinda fall away. They’re still there. They’re still issues. They just don’t seem to matter that much. One could easily take that too far and go from acceptance of faults with the balance of satisfaction being emotionally-based to simply being blind to problems. That’s not good. If you don’t like it, well, then the opposite occurs— Little issues become deal-breakers. You just haven’t picked yours up yet so you’re in a sort of limbo between groups. You’ll be there soon enough though.

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[JLClt]

All good points everyone. I'll just have to have faith that mine will be reliable

 

[Sorbs]

All good points everyone. I'll just have to have faith that mine will be reliable

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story?id=50922136

I see you’re a Bring My Wallet owner so here’s one back at ya on the recall list...

Here’s another one on the mighty Acura NSX - https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-2018-acura-nsx-fuel-tank-recall/

Both for fires...

 

[Sean K.]

As soon as you question reliability in a thread you are guaranteed to see the troll label within the first 10 responses. Why, I have no idea. Asking about reliability is a legitimate concern for many prospective buyers.

It's the way he's stating his case....not the question.

 

[JLClt]

It's the way he's stating his case....not the question.

I'm not following. I'm about to spend 48K on a truck that has problems. Why can't I voice my concerns? Not trolling at all.

 

[Jeep It]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

I hope yours is trouble free too, and reliability concerns are important.

I brought my JLU Sport S home (first Jeep) and the next morning the left rear shock was leaking with only 50 miles on it, and there were no replacements available at the time. The dealer put a take off from a Rubi they did a lift on, and all is good. Funny thing is, that crap would normally piss me off, but Jeep must put crack in the HVAC system because I’m hooked...they are the coolest fricking rigs to me, and this is coming from someone who has owned 2 Toyota’s (Sienna and Tacoma) and a Honda CRV in the last several years with no problems.

I frequent many different forums (cars, motorcycles, guns), and you’re guaranteed to find all kinds of complaints regardless of the brand. I currently ride a Honda ST1300, and many consider Honda to be infallible, but I had to replace the fuel pump at 16,000 miles.....a known issue. And if I were an outsider reading ST forums, I would think they were built by blind, dope smoking chimps on Friday’s and Monday’s due to all the complaints and issues, but I know better. Mine has been great other than the fuel pump.

Reality is anything built by human hands can have issues, and although forums are a great place to peek through the window of ownership on a particular product, they are just that; a window, not the whole picture. Unless someone starts a thread asking who’s had no issues, people don’t usually say how great their "whatever" is, but will tell everyone including God when something isn’t right. Human nature I guess.

I’ve got a little over 3,000 miles on mine now, and other than the rear window fluid sprayer dribbling, it’s rock solid, and I’m praying it stays that way.
Yours should be good too, post back when you get it, and congrats. Jeeps get in your blood, and you suddenly have grace to deal with things because their strengths outweigh their weaknesses.

 

[Sean K.]

I'm not following. I'm about to spend 48K on a truck that has problems. Why can't I voice my concerns? Not trolling at all.

Perhaps it's the way you're phrasing things; like this:

The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

But nowhere near the amount of posts and subforums and 50-page threads on crap falling apart
Usually any car has a certain weak spot a particular component that's it's known for to be weak. This is something else

There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions or voicing concerns.

The troll comment was simply my opinion....it's further substantiated (again, IMO) by your comments about how much better Japanese and German marks are in comparison.

Here's the thing: I agree with you. Japanese and German automobiles do *tend* to be more reliable than American products.

I apologize if my assessment is incorrect....I've just seen enough auto forums with this kind of trolling to raise the suspicion.

 

[Cov]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

Because there is no other competitor for the Wrangler, so people put up with it.

 

[Biscuit]

I'll put it this way: I've had five Jeeps over the years; all but one were bullet-proof. I've had five Subarus, all of them bullet-proof. Similar experiences with Ford, Chevy, Nissan and Toyota. Social media traffic is not a reasonable or accurate reflection of quality, reliability and durability.

EDIT: If it walks, talks and posts like a troll, it probably is a troll.

 

[RedJLUR]

Jap & German cars. My women has a 2008 BMW 525i she takes it to the dealer for everything.
The battery went dead last year, I thought I’ll just get one from the auto parts store. Come to find out the BMW dealer needs
to recalibrate something when installing a new battery! I thought this was BS till I called the dealer, sure enough its true.
It was around 500 by the time they were done. Then she took it in for brakes, I won't even say what that cost. I wanted to do it she
said I’ll just take it in. If you ever need parts for the foreign cars you pay big time. I just purchased a 2018 JLUR the only issue I have is the backup camera don’t always work. I have had none of the problems I read about on this forum. The forums seen to be a place where people vent there
frustrations and I get that. Most of the problems are not FCA’s fault, these are all supplier quality issues. They will get it straightened out. The new Wrangler JL is one nice machine!

 

[Sean K.]

Jap & German cars. My women has a 2008 BMW 525i she takes it to the dealer for everything.
The battery went dead last year, I thought I’ll just get one from the auto parts store. Come to find out the BMW dealer needs
to recalibrate something when installing a new battery! I thought this was BS till I called the dealer, sure enough its true.
It was around 500 by the time they were done. Then she took it in for brakes, I won't even say what that cost. I wanted to do it she
said I’ll just take it in. If you ever need parts for the foreign cars you pay big time. I just purchased a 2018 JLUR the only issue I have is the backup camera don’t always work. I have had none of the problems I read about on this forum. The forums seen to be a place where people vent there
frustrations and I get that. Most of the problems are not FCA’s fault, these are all supplier quality issues. They will get it straightened out. The new Wrangler JL is one nice machine!

Small nit to pick: You pay big time for any LUXURY car if you take it in and yes, OEM parts are typically more expensive but tend to last longer than the generic ones.


***EDIT*** In truth though....at ~$50K, one is spending around "LUXURY" car prices for a JL. Whether that means one will be expected to pay higher maintenance/parts fees remains to be seen. Having had to replace the radiator in the JL for $67...so far, that doesn't seem to be the case....thankfully.

 

[musicaldoc]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

Remember that there are 3 type of users who get in an automotive forum....

1. users gathering infos before ordering
2. users enjoying their car and wishing to share experience
3. users with issues in their car

Usually the last category is the most conspicuous, so reading the forum returns the sensation that the car is a crap....

 

[JLClt]

Small nit to pick: You pay big time for any LUXURY car if you take it in and yes, OEM parts are typically more expensive but tend to last longer than the generic ones.


***EDIT*** In truth though....at ~$50K, one is spending around "LUXURY" car prices for a JL. Whether that means one will be expected to pay higher maintenance/parts fees remains to be seen. Having had to replace the radiator in the JL for $67...so far, that doesn't seem to be the case....thankfully.

I expect paying money to maintain a used car. I get the fact that Land Cruiser is bulletproof and you can't compare it to Jeep.
What I am not comfortable with is taking in a new car for service all the time. Under warranty is fine, it's not about the money. It's the inconvenience of driving to dealer in the morning instead of going to work. Do I even get a free loaner like with a BMW? I read stories dealers keep cars for weeks at a time. I can't do that since this will be my DD.

I just hope none of that will happen to me is all.

 

[Matthew/E36]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

I think there is a "tolerance" in the sense most on the forum chalk things up as typical vehcile problems. IMO not that you don't tell the dealer to fix them, just that it's not a vehcile to avoid because of them.

Ex: I had a 1/2 to 1" gap in my soft top. I didn't race in or complain on the forums. I did ask the dealer to look at it with the first oil change. They said a bracket was slightly bent...they ordered and replaced it. What else would I do?

IDK...they fixed it. I wouldnt say its german car quality. I didn't sign up for that exactly. If I had other big problems, I'd tell people but my wrangler has been fine so far.

I'm unaware anyone has had every single problem identified on the forums (weld, electrical, speakers, etc, etc, etc). Most have had one. If I had a big one I'd be pissed...that's not a jeep thing. But that doesn't mean everyone has any let alone all of those same problems.

A jeep thing is your hair messy because you have the top down every day to work, or getting caught in the rain, etc...not junky manufacturing or dealers not fixing problems you bring to their attention.

 

[Todkavonic]

Do I even get a free loaner like with a BMW? I read stories dealers keep cars for weeks at a time. I can't do that since this will be my DD.

If you’re that worried, maybe a conversation with your dealerships manager would help? Explain your concerns (daily driver, gotta get to and from work, etc) and ask if they can assure you that they will provide a free loaner should you need one. If he/she can’t answer satisfactorily, look for another dealership. I’ve never run into a problem but sometimes that involves asking rather than assuming. One time I jokingly said “well, if you’re going to have my car for over a week, I insist on the loaner being a Maserati.” The guy didn’t even look up from the paperwork, just says, “that isn’t a problem.” I had that Quattroporte for like three weeks! Even washed it. Beautiful car.

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