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[Beebe Senior]

Just to confirm, I had the ASS function warning and replaced the AUX battery. It was bad but the ASS warning light did not go away. Dealer would not tell me how to reset it and wanted to do a diagnostic on the Jeep. I just went out and followed the steps in the original post to remove the negative, isolate the two ground cables and unplug the IBS (found attached to the negative post there is a clip to push in that you won't see b/c the entire thing is black but it slips right off once you see it) and left it off for 20 minutes. None of my settings were changed except the theme color of my radio display. My phone was still connected, and all radio presets were there. Anyway, started it up and the ASS warning light was gone. Hope this helps anyone else #ESS #Aux Battery #IBS

 

[Optical TDI]

Just to confirm, I had the ASS function warning and replaced the AUX battery. It was bad but the ASS warning light did not go away. Dealer would not tell me how to reset it and wanted to do a diagnostic on the Jeep. I just went out and followed the steps in the original post to remove the negative, isolate the two ground cables and unplug the IBS (found attached to the negative post there is a clip to push in that you won't see b/c the entire thing is black but it slips right off once you see it) and left it off for 20 minutes. None of my settings were changed except the theme color of my radio display. My phone was still connected, and all radio presets were there. Anyway, started it up and the ASS warning light was gone. Hope this helps anyone else #ESS #Aux Battery #IBS

Woohoo. Just did this after bypass aux battery and put in H7. Kept getting this error. This fixed it! Thx everyone!!!

 

[JeepJeepV]

This thread resolved a 2-week long chase down of ESS & battery issues on my WL Grand Cherokee V6. "Stop-start not ready" message and constant 14.5v showing on the dash despite both batteries being fully charged and brand new.

Same deal as JL Wranglers. 2 batteries, 1 under each seat. The IBS is located on the main battery and has a daisy chain to the Aux battery negative terminal. Initially, I replaced 1 battery at a time which I thought was logical, but this did not trigger any re-learning from the IBS because it was still connected to the Aux while I replaced the main battery (that's my theory anyway).

Resolved by:
1. Test both new batteries individually for CCA / voltage (both showed 100%)
2. Disconnect both negative terminals from both batteries
3. Wait 15 mins
4. Reconnect both negative terminals
5. Drive & test

In my case ESS worked immediately after engine warm-up. No multi-day learning period was necessary. Now I can use the button to disable ESS every morning like everyone else...

 

[smokeythecat]

Which is the better way or are they equivalent

Battery Disconnect
or
Important: You can also, with vehicle turned off... just unplug the IBS, leave it unplugged for a few minutes and then plug IBS back in and this will also restart the relearning process.

I can report that I went the second route, but I only left it unplugged for about 30 seconds. My start/stop began working again after the "battery charging" message went away.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Old thread but my charging system was doing something funky on this past trip last week and I think it's related to IBS.

I had very recently (a couple weeks ago) replaced my Genesis Gen2 circuitry with the Gen3 (purchased over a year ago).

The batteries had been completely disconnected from the wiring for at least a couple weeks.

I charged brand new FullThrottle batteries, using a Victron Energy Blue Smart 15a charger prior to use. I drove the JL for a couple weeks around town prior to this trip, without any issues.

I connected my Dometic 55qt to the rear socket in my JL prior to leaving on the trip. All was well for about 1 day, as we traveled to Utah from southern Cal. The second day, the fridge was not cooling. However, the light inside was on and the control panel was powered and the settings were correct.
I noted on the 4th day that the voltage on the dash display was unusually low, about mid to low 12.x volts. It was then that I suspected the low battery voltage was below the Dometic's threshold and I tried adjusting the Dometic "battery protection" setting from "medium" to "high" and "low" with no benefit in either setting. This voltage persisted throughout the rest of our trip. The jeep started easily/normally.

Upon returning home, I put the Dometic in my pickup and plugged it in and started the truck. The Dometic quickly cooled down, acting normally for this ~2-3 year old fridge.

Some reading, led me to suspect the Intelligent Battery Monitor. But everything I read states that you need to reset the IBS with fully charged batteries to ensure proper IBS calibration. So, I started the Jeep to move it into position in my driveway to disconnect the Genesis completely and charge each battery separately. While moving vehicles around, I noted that the volt meter on the dash displayed 14.1 to 14.3v as is common for my JL.

Any insight as to what's going on with my charging system would be appreciated.

 

[Terrymo]

Old thread but my charging system was doing something funky on this past trip last week and I think it's related to IBS.

I had very recently (a couple weeks ago) replaced my Genesis Gen2 circuitry with the Gen3 (purchased over a year ago).

The batteries had been completely disconnected from the wiring for at least a couple weeks.

I charged brand new FullThrottle batteries, using a Victron Energy Blue Smart 15a charger prior to use. I drove the JL for a couple weeks around town prior to this trip, without any issues.

I connected my Dometic 55qt to the rear socket in my JL prior to leaving on the trip. All was well for about 1 day, as we traveled to Utah from southern Cal. The second day, the fridge was not cooling. However, the light inside was on and the control panel was powered and the settings were correct.
I noted on the 4th day that the voltage on the dash display was unusually low, about mid to low 12.x volts. It was then that I suspected the low battery voltage was below the Dometic's threshold and I tried adjusting the Dometic "battery protection" setting from "medium" to "high" and "low" with no benefit in either setting. This voltage persisted throughout the rest of our trip. The jeep started easily/normally.

Upon returning home, I put the Dometic in my pickup and plugged it in and started the truck. The Dometic quickly cooled down, acting normally for this ~2-3 year old fridge.

Some reading, led me to suspect the Intelligent Battery Monitor. But everything I read states that you need to reset the IBS with fully charged batteries to ensure proper IBS calibration. So, I started the Jeep to move it into position in my driveway to disconnect the Genesis completely and charge each battery separately. While moving vehicles around, I noted that the volt meter on the dash displayed 14.1 to 14.3v as is common for my JL.

Any insight as to what's going on with my charging system would be appreciated.

@THAW

 

[roaniecowpony]

BTW, batteries were 12.4v this morning. I pulled all the Genesis terminals off the batteries and I'm charging the primary now.

 

[THAW]

Old thread but my charging system was doing something funky on this past trip last week and I think it's related to IBS.

I had very recently (a couple weeks ago) replaced my Genesis Gen2 circuitry with the Gen3 (purchased over a year ago).

The batteries had been completely disconnected from the wiring for at least a couple weeks.

I charged brand new FullThrottle batteries, using a Victron Energy Blue Smart 15a charger prior to use. I drove the JL for a couple weeks around town prior to this trip, without any issues.

I connected my Dometic 55qt to the rear socket in my JL prior to leaving on the trip. All was well for about 1 day, as we traveled to Utah from southern Cal. The second day, the fridge was not cooling. However, the light inside was on and the control panel was powered and the settings were correct.
I noted on the 4th day that the voltage on the dash display was unusually low, about mid to low 12.x volts. It was then that I suspected the low battery voltage was below the Dometic's threshold and I tried adjusting the Dometic "battery protection" setting from "medium" to "high" and "low" with no benefit in either setting. This voltage persisted throughout the rest of our trip. The jeep started easily/normally.

Upon returning home, I put the Dometic in my pickup and plugged it in and started the truck. The Dometic quickly cooled down, acting normally for this ~2-3 year old fridge.

Some reading, led me to suspect the Intelligent Battery Monitor. But everything I read states that you need to reset the IBS with fully charged batteries to ensure proper IBS calibration. So, I started the Jeep to move it into position in my driveway to disconnect the Genesis completely and charge each battery separately. While moving vehicles around, I noted that the volt meter on the dash displayed 14.1 to 14.3v as is common for my JL.

Any insight as to what's going on with my charging system would be appreciated.

If the low-voltage cutoff (especially if set to Medium or Low) on the fridge is triggered when the batteries are mid-to-low 12 Volts, there's too much voltage drop in the factory wiring to the rear 12V outlet. I'd suggest using dedicated, fused, 10-gauge, home-run wiring from the battery to the fridge.

It doesn't seem likely resetting the IBS would have much effect, given it would've been reset just a couple weeks ago when the batteries were disconnected.

To which of the Genesis batteries is your IBS connected? What was the ambient termperature while the dash was showing mid-to-low 12 Volts (while driving?)?

 

[roaniecowpony]

If the low-voltage cutoff (especially if set to Medium or Low) on the fridge is triggered when the batteries are mid-to-low 12 Volts, there's too much voltage drop in the factory wiring to the rear 12V outlet. I'd suggest using dedicated, fused, 10-gauge, home-run wiring from the battery to the fridge.

It doesn't seem likely resetting the IBS would have much effect, given it would've been reset just a couple weeks ago when the batteries were disconnected.

To which of the Genesis batteries is your IBS connected? What was the ambient termperature while the dash was showing mid-to-low 12 Volts (while driving?)?

Thaw, thanks for chiming in. I initially had it powered to the rear socket, but I also have a dedicated heavy gauge socket I wired for my RVi brake, so I hooked it to that. Same result. This fridge has been used in this jeep prior to the change to the Gen3 Genesis from the Gen2.

I've charged the batteries today, but not reconnected the batteries yet. I want to find out as much as possible before reconnecting them.

I have the optional/recommended "Engine-On Sensor Cable", which I thought was to prevent this exact condition from occurring.

The IBS is connected to the forward battery and the jeep's positive cable is connected to the rear battery.

 

[THAW]

The IBS is connected to the forward battery and the jeep's positive cable is connected to the rear battery.

So, your IBS won't see the fridge current draw from the Jeep/rear battery while the Jeep is parked. And, assuming you don't have accessories attached to the Genesis system, the Genesis Auxiliary/front battery will stay charged while the Jeep is off, so the IBS won't see much charge current into it when the Jeep is running (i.e. the Jeep will think its battery is near fully charged when it's not).

I think it'd be best to either move the fridge to the Genesis Auxiliary/front battery, or move the IBS to the Jeep/rear battery.

Also, I recommend using JScan to monitor MODULES -> BODY CONTROLLER -> LIVE DATA ->

Intelligent Battery Sensor Current,
Intelligent Battery Sensor Measured Voltage,
Intelligent Battery Sensor State of Charge
Intelligent Battery Sensor Temperature

You'll be able to see how much charge current the IBS battery is taking while you're driving.

 

[roaniecowpony]

So, your IBS won't see the fridge current draw from the Jeep/rear battery while the Jeep is parked. And, assuming you don't have accessories attached to the Genesis system, the Genesis Auxiliary/front battery will stay charged while the Jeep is off, so the IBS won't see much charge current into it when the Jeep is running (i.e. the Jeep will think its battery is near fully charged when it's not).

I think it'd be best to either move the fridge to the Genesis Auxiliary/front battery, or move the IBS to the Jeep/rear battery.

Also, I recommend using JScan to monitor MODULES -> BODY CONTROLLER -> LIVE DATA ->

Intelligent Battery Sensor Current,
Intelligent Battery Sensor Measured Voltage,
Intelligent Battery Sensor State of Charge
Intelligent Battery Sensor Temperature

You'll be able to see how much charge current the IBS battery is taking while you're driving.

Sorry, I had a Dr's apptmt and now a dinner. But, it appears that the negative side of both batteries are hard tied by a buss bar in the Genesis.

 

[THAW]

Sorry, I had a Dr's apptmt and now a dinner. But, it appears that the negative side of both batteries are hard tied by a buss bar in the Genesis.

Thanks for the picture. Right, the negatives are permanently tied together, and the positive connection is broken after shutdown.

But, as I understand it, the Genesis wiring connects to the factory negative clamp on the top side of the IBS, so the IBS shunt registers current only for the front/auxiliary battery where the IBS is attached.

I think your issue might be that when the Jeep starts and the batteries are combined, the IBS sees a fully charged battery (i.e. one that accepts very little current at alternator voltage). The IBS sees a charged battery because it's attached to the front/auxiliary battery that was disconnected while the Jeep was off, so wasn't discharged by the fridge. Then, the Jeep sets lower alternator voltage, and the rear/Jeep battery (that would/does accept current, since it was discharged by the fridge) doesn't get proper charging voltage to fully recharge.

Moving the fridge to the front/auxiliary battery or moving the IBS to the rear/Jeep battery would ensure the IBS tracks charging for the (typically) more discharged battery, so the Jeep should maintain high enough charging voltage for the fridge battery to recharge.

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