How feasible is it to remove BSG/E-Torque system?

[Gillytickle]

It's best to just wait until something used comes along. Maybe cheaper to get a sport (s) with a majority of the options you want and add things to get to your perfect build.

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[jeepstylin]

That's why I asked the OP what about the system worried him hoping it was something that was addressable, and therefore the benefit of the 48V battery could be a positive point.

But if someone really wants to go far off the beaten path and needs 100% serviceability the JL is not a good choice. Too much electronics that just can't be diagnosed and repaired in the middle of nowhere.

A older Jeep, with a carb would be the best (with appropriate spares), as it can be fixed with simple tools you can carry with you.

I checked out your comments re using the 48V system as an ancillary power source, which is very interesting. My plan was a dual battery set up, which is tried and true. And, if I had to pick a location to add a second battery to the vehicle, I wouldn't be installing it under the vehicle. You said it yourself, lithium batteries have their vulnerabilities.

 

[jeepstylin]

Little surprised by the consensus of responses on this topic, but that's fine. I learned long ago not to go on a forum expecting to change anyone's mind. Appreciate you all sharing your perspective.

 

[Yellow Cake Kid]

I bought a 2020 Rubicon in a color we liked, but what I really wanted was a Genright Complete Custom build with a brand new body tub and a small block 350 v8.

Maybe next time.

 

[jeepstylin]

Funny how much my comments have been taken out of context. I fully understand that I'm buying a modern vehicle. And I'm not looking to trek across the Empty Quarter in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Notorious]

I'm not looking to trek across the Empty Quarter in Saudi Arabia.

Then you haven’t fully lived.

 

[XxsullyxX123]

Why not scour the country for a left over 2020 3.6L Rubicon? The 3.6 didn’t have BSG in 2020 (although it had the ESS which I have heard of way more failures to the aux battery system) You may pay a premium for the 2020, and pay to have it shipped, but may still end up cheaper.

 

[D60]

Little surprised by the consensus of responses on this topic, but that's fine. I learned long ago not to go on a forum expecting to change anyone's mind. Appreciate you all sharing your perspective.

This just isn't the right forum unfortunately. Most people here just aren't that "hardcore" for lack of a better term.

I COMPLETELY understand where you're coming from, and I feel your thought process is sound. If I were truly, regularly going to remote areas -- and particularly as a solo vehicle -- I would not want the added weight or complexity of BSG.

Those here who have purchased BSG feel somehow personally attacked with your arguments. Inexplicably it's human nature for consumers to defend THEMSELVES when OBJECTS they OWN or POSSESS are called into question. Just ignore it. Buy what you want. Your instincts are correct -- or at the very least your instincts about what YOU want are correct FOR YOU. I'd keep searching for a '20, be it NOS or used

 

[jeepstylin]

This just isn't the right forum unfortunately. Most people here just aren't that "hardcore" for lack of a better term.

I COMPLETELY understand where you're coming from, and I feel your thought process is sound. If I were truly, regularly going to remote areas -- and particularly as a solo vehicle -- I would not want the added weight or complexity of BSG.

Those here who have purchased BSG feel somehow personally attacked with your arguments. Inexplicably it's human nature for consumers to defend THEMSELVES when OBJECTS they OWN or POSSESS are called into question. Just ignore it. Buy what you want. Your instincts are correct -- or at the very least your instincts about what YOU want are correct FOR YOU. I'd keep searching for a '20, be it NOS or used

Probably the direction I'll end up going. I'll figure out some solution that works. I'm certainly not offended by anyone's comments. I love hearing more than one perspective. It's the only way I learn anything new. Plus, it's just a forum. About Jeeps. Jeeps are fun. Right?

 

[jeepstylin]

No offense, but there's someone like you on every forum asking how to reengineer something with zero knowledge of how to do it. It's a simple case of 'if you have to ask, you can't do it.' and if you do it, it won't be better.

None taken. Really. I don't think we've ever met. I'm not sure how you determined what my level of mechanical skill or available resources are. It sounds like you are uncomfortable with modifying a vehicle. An alternative to responding to a bothersome thread would probably be to ignore the thread.

 

[Yellow Cake Kid]

The question would be; Does a 3.6L E-Torque Pentatstar prepared at the factory have the "guts" to allow for removal of the belt start generator and the installation of a starter and an alternator?

I am guessing that mounting an alternator would not be problematic, but wonder if the engine is equipped with the internal ring gear, and a port for the starter's pinion to access and engage it.

The engines could be substantially different with regard to the details necessary to integrate the appliances being discussed.

 

[jeepstylin]

The question would be; Does an 3.6L Pentatstar prepared at the factory have the "guts" to allow for removal of the belt start generator and the installation of a starter and an alternator?

I am guessing that mounting an alternator would not be too problematic, but wonder if the engine is equipped with the internal ring gear, and a port for the starter's pinion to access and engage it.

The engines could be substantially different with regard to the details necessary to integrate the appliances being discussed.

You are very likely correct. I haven't had a chance to see all of the components in person or gather enough information to know how substantially different the base motor is configured. It's obviously more work than say swapping an intake. It sounds like there are some folks here who have enough knowledge of the components to say that it's just not worth the effort. That's helpful info.

 

[Gregj]

BSG/ETorque motors are still in possession of their standard starter motor and it is utilized for the initial start-up of the vehicle. The BSG/ETorque is used for the restart at the end of an ESS event.
Gregj

 

[Yellow Cake Kid]

BSG/ETorque motors are still in possession of their standard starter motor and it is utilized for the initial start-up of the vehicle. The BSG/ETorque is used for the restart at the end of an ESS event.
Gregj

Thank you for explaining this. I didn't know that this was the case. This makes the possibility of retrofit seem much more feasible. There is still the matter of swapping out numerous electronic components, but it is interesting to consider the possibility.

Thank you.

 

[JEEPIDON]

You are very likely correct. I haven't had a chance to see all of the components in person or gather enough information to know how substantially different the base motor is configured. It's obviously more work than say swapping an intake. It sounds like there are some folks here who have enough knowledge of the components to say that it's just not worth the effort. That's helpful info.

I'm with you regarding simplicity. However, I don't know what you would buy today that didn't have a level of complexity that allows you to emergency service the unit to put back into service. We live in a world that is not thinking of simplicity anymore.

However, regardless of the complexity lever...if you snap a drive shaft it won't make any difference. If you snap an axle, probably won't make a difference.

It truly is the luck of the draw of what fails and when. My rule....deal with it when and if you need to otherwise don't think about it.

And don't ever come to a forum for an opinion, you'll get more assumptions and speculation than you care to read. Come here for tips and what people have done and how effective their mods/changes are and how they apply to you.

Some folks come here with questions that you know are going to go in the toilet fast and are usually "stoned to death" in the first 3 posts!!! lol

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