ESS Class Action Litigation?

[rforbes]

I think that is the whole point of the class action to push that ess is bad for consumer.

ok, then, don't buy a vehicle that has it. Nobody put a gun to your head.

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[Pape]

ok, then, don't buy a vehicle that has it. Nobody put a gun to your head.

Actually this where I'm ignorant: is this a mandatory thing in the USA ?

 

[MayThe4x4BWU]

All those "savings/environmental" upgrades to vehicles need to be looked at and perhaps reconfigured, maybe eliminated, but a class action lawsuit?

Then again, it's par for the course for this sue-happy country

 

[Terrymo]

I think that is the whole point of the class action to push that ess is bad for consumer.

Just remember that any penalties or financial responsibility to Jeep i.e. paying attorneys or otherwise ultimately comes out of the consumers pocket not theirs.

 

[grimmjeeper]

It would be interesting to see what would happen to class action lawsuits if the law firms were restricted to charging no more than 10% of the total settlement value.

 

[Pape]

Just remember that any penalties or financial responsibility to Jeep i.e. paying attorneys or otherwise ultimately comes out of the consumers pocket not theirs.

money talk
In essence of my first post this is rather interesting way to go at it. does it make sense, no clue, will it work probably not is some layer in it for a quick $, probably. At the end of the day when the only tool you have is a hammer everything look like a nail.

 

[rforbes]

It would be interesting to see what would happen to class action lawsuits if the law firms were restricted to charging no more than 10% of the total settlement value.

heh, that is easy. You would never see a class action lawsuit again.

 

[Mguy]

Actually this where I'm ignorant: is this a mandatory thing in the USA ?

No, ESS is not a government required vehicle system. See post #55 in this thread.

 

[moabman-OG]

Screw the money. I think any and all lawsuits should not include a monetary value. They should include strictly prison time with no exceptions. I bet people think twice before they do stupid things if it involves them going to federal pound me in the @$$ prison for 10 years minimum. These lawsuits happen and no one feels it, the company does but the C-suite folks feel the same as if I had a quarter drop out of my pocket. Give them 10 years in federal prison with Bubba, I bet they make smarter choices.

 

[driventoadventure]

This is rather interesting.
ESS have a tendency to add extra wear on internal component. I have read somewhere that standard crankshaft bearing would not tolerate ESS for really longs.

If they are really serious about this, they need engine designer to the table and further more they should go with the full host of problematic compromise required to "save the planet"

We are at a point where engine longevity is affected by all the compromise who make the lifecycle of car shorter resulting in a lot of waste at all level. I think we are going at the issue the wrong way as what we save in pollution with the host of compromise we loose in the reduced lifecycle longevity.

My 0.02$

You say this, but statistically engines and vehicles are lasting longer, with less major maintenance, than ever before; according to industry groups like JD Power, Consumer Reports, etc...

 

[driventoadventure]

I'd prefer the Government to ban Class Action Suits before ESS.

Or at least balance them where lawyers aren't allowed to make any more than the average class participant - or where costs are limited to a specific schedule...

 

[driventoadventure]

I think that is the whole point of the class action to push that ess is bad for consumer.

But it is not. Just because people's feelings are hurt by it, doesn't discount the actual tangible demonstrable benefit it provides. Class action suits like the one proposed here are actually damaging, because the money isn't coming from the manufacturer anyway - it will just get amortized into the cost of the next vehicle - or worse eliminate investment all together, a la Diesel engines in Jeeps...

 

[SlickRicksWilly]

Join a class action lawsuit. You’ll get $10 or less. The attorneys will get richer.

But look how happy I am.

 

[Pape]

You say this, but statistically engines and vehicles are lasting longer, with less major maintenance, than ever before; according to industry groups like JD Power, Consumer Reports, etc...

Time will tell but major manufacturers are experiencing more and more issues.

But it is not. Just because people's feelings are hurt by it, doesn't discount the actual tangible demonstrable benefit it provides. Class action suits like the one proposed here are actually damaging, because the money isn't coming from the manufacturer anyway - it will just get amortized into the cost of the next vehicle - or worse eliminate investment all together, a la Diesel engines in Jeeps...

That is if the consumer continue to buy their products. Im sorry but we are not talking gouvernement here, we are talking a enterprise who need to have clients and does not enjoy a monopole.

 

[Brad Hearing]

Here's a link to the action against Honda: https://lemonlawexperts.com/honda-idle-stop-class-action-lawsuit/

Thinking more broadly, class action litigation should/would name these categories of defendants and litigation issues:

1. EPA and other federal and state government departments who supported ESS;
2. Environmental lobbyists;
3. Federal and state legislators;
4. ESS designers and engineers;
5. Major vehicle brand manufacturers;
6. ESS component manufacturers.

Litigation issues:
a)Defendants failed to consider the extent of negative environmental impacts caused by manufacture and operation of ESS vehicle systems, including but not limited to extra / unnecessary manufacturing and assembly costs (extra on-board batteries, wiring, connectors, etc.)
b) Additional / unnecessary costs made vehicle purchases more expensive for consumers;
c) Additional / unnecessary operating/maintenance costs for owners/operators, notably earlier failure of starter motors due to unnecessarily frequent engine restarts, requiring very expensive replacement costs;
d) Additional complexity leading to unsafe emotional anger/anguish and increasing fatigue for operators;
e) Disrespectfully irritating owners/operators.

Please add more...

this isnt my hill to die on but its obvious to anyone to just casually observes the system that its a net negative. glad to see theres real resistance building up.

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