ESS and managing expectations

[jeepoch]

Except that entire premise is entirely flawed. The "free market" explicitly ignores all environmental impacts until it undermines business to the point of not being able to function.

Au contraire... In all forms of centralized economic governmental control, there naturally arises a 'black' market where real value and percieved worth are brokered (or bartered) independent of any artificially set price. Free markets happen no matter the degree in which they're attempted to be thwarted.

There are no nefarious companies, only very unethical people, such as corporate officers, managers, employees, this does include self run mom and pop shops. There is no monopoly on bad actors. Your position is one of legislating morality, potentially even by more dubious people with public power like politicians and/or sheriff's and his deputies with guns.

In order to make ANY economic system work requires ethical behavior. Unfortunately, human nature tends to 'cheat' at whatever perspective provides the easiest financial outcome. Anyone (including both you and I) will do almost anything if the price is right. I will gladly clean septic tanks for several thousand dollars an hour.

However it seems there are way more people on this planet who would rather questionably gain a penny by cheating someone else out of it instead of earning it outright. In fact, way too many people tend to work much harder at stealing than productively producing. Why has our society turned this way? When have so many become 'entitled'. Whether you want to, we both know the answer.

As long as there is sufficient demand with a perceived profit potential, any company, or governmental agency, may be potentially corrupted just as equally towards collecting that profit while satisfying the demand to whatever is being provided. To believe any different is like thinking guns kill people. People kill people with whatever weapon they can acquire. But I digress, but not that far off topic.

Why do you think we've never made a dent on the war on drugs? Way, (way) too much profit potential. The flow of drugs will never be stopped, at least not by attempting to eliminate just the supply. The only way to win that battle is to eradicate demand. Good luck with that, especially when the drugs are so damn addictive (by design) and just too many people want to exist in some altered reality.

Government and it's insane number of bureaucratic agencies are just as corruptable as any corporation and you're naive to believe otherwise. People are people period. Just like guns, laws and policies can be used to inflict pain. ESS is but just a bullet.

My conjecture is that environmental goals are just another cost burden in the attempt to turn a profit (in this case Jeeps) while talking out both sides of their mouths. As long as the consumer, not the company or bureaucratic agency overseeing it, accepts to shoulder the cost of implementing and integrating those goals will that product or environmental goal succeed. ESS is simply a mechanism now used to force (even marginal compliance) because the consumer does not agree with the manner in which to achieve the overall goal. If they thought that, the pushbutton would be used to enable rather than disable ESS with the belief that the majority would use it. How stupid do you think they are? The bureaucratic regulators could care crap what you think of ESS. From their perspective, you low life pleabs should be thankful there's a disable button at all.

Alas, I would also predict that most people who absolutely despise ESS are likely also responsible for voting in the politicians favoring the policies which put it there to begin with. Life is complicated. Unintended consequences are a bitch

Additionally, I certainly know a lot of people who while they may not boycott Wally World outright, certainly don't routinely shop there anymore either, due to whatever their reasons. Eventually given enough slow down, Wally's shareholders will demand a change to the business's sourcing paradigm. Again follow the money. Nothing, and I do mean nothing happens without it. Environmental improvement, Jeeps, ESS overrides or anything else.

As far as the effectiveness of environmental government control, why do you think Beijing China has such a bad smog problem? The communist Chinese government can certainly crack down and prevent it. No wait it doesn't. Pure totalitarian government control in action (or inaction)... Just as corrupt as the worst corporate polluter.

Lastly, people have to want to and be able to participate. Not be forced to. Nothing will be accomplished if the economics is too overly prohibitive. There has to be some compromise. Green can't be all or nothing.

Lastly, the energy industry hasn't run dry enough to worry about it and the taxing authorities (no matter what governmental propaganda spews out regarding greenhouse gases), is going to continue to reap the carbon revenue right up until that last drop of oil drips out.

Jay

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[nostatic]

I have two orders of business regarding ESS. To plunge right into it, ESS is environmentally favored and genetically predisposed to controlling what we do and how we do it. What does that mean in plain English? It means I know some sevidical quiddlers who actually believe that ESS is a living bodhisattva of peace and nonviolence. Incredible? Those same people have told me that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. With such people roaming about, it should come as no surprise to you that there are lots of weepy, wimpy flower children out there who are always whining that I'm being too harsh in my criticisms of ESS. I wish such people would wake up and realize that many people who follow ESS's magic-bullet explanations have come to the erroneous conclusion that cannibalism, wife-swapping, and the murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior. The stark truth of the matter is that organizations like it consider themselves heroes. They are not. Rather, if I said that ESS's musings provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything, I'd be a liar. But I'd be being completely honest if I said that circumstantial evidence is always probative to show intent. The circumstantial evidence in ESS's case is that ESS wants to cast grave accusations of treason at all of its rivals. Faugh.

It is pointless to fret about the damage already caused by ESS's aggressive, apolaustic monographs. The past cannot be changed. We must cope with the present if we hope to affect our future and ask the tough questions and not shy away from the tough answers. The significance of doing so is that it manipulates public opinion through raw emotion, sexual desire, “family values”, comedy, music, entertainment, false religion, social engineering, journalistic propaganda, and junk science. You don't need to be the smartest guy on the planet to figure that out. Heck, even the lowliest Joe Six-Pack knows that ESS proclaims that the ancient Egyptians used psychic powers to build the pyramids. What planet is it from? The planet Crime-stained? It would take days to give the complete answer to that question, but the gist of it is that it is no accident that those who fight against ESS's heartless press releases are inevitably branded as stuck-up and ophidian by ESS's vassals.

Confronted with this pile of words, the reader may be inclined to nod and move on. However, I ask that you stop for a moment and look: I am of two minds about the source of ESS's current flirtation with Titoism. Perhaps it's a predictable by-product of its hatchet jobs, a toxic gas emitted by the mighty engine of ESS's desire to implant within the government a set of fifth columnists who are devoted to its dream of tearing down everything that can possibly be regarded as a support of cultural elevation. Or perhaps it relates to how a central point of ESS's belief systems is the notion that ESS has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. Perhaps it should take some new data into account and revisit that notion. I think it'd find that its misbegotten policies are an unbroken line of one disaster after another. Nevertheless, I can state with absolute certainty that its blather about how a totalitarian dictatorship is the best form of government we could possibly have has no basis in reality.

But its beliefs aren't about reality. They're about silencing any criticism of the brainwashing and double standards that it has increasingly been practicing. In other words, ESS's propaganda factories continuously spew forth messages like, “ESS has the experience, ideas, leadership, and integrity to move our nation forward” and, “You and I are inferior to the most peremptory crybabies you'll ever see”. What they don't tell you, though, is that it's indubitably a tragedy that ESS's goal in life is apparently to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought. Here, I use the word “tragedy” as the philosopher Whitehead used it. Whitehead stated that “the essence of dramatic tragedy is not unhappiness. It resides in the solemnity of the remorseless working of things,” which I interpret as saying that in any decent society, ESS would be just another reckless four-flusher standing on a streetcorner braying its nonsensical diatribes from atop a soapbox. Nevertheless, it has managed to gain some credibility among grotty leighsters because they relate to her message that things have never been better.

ESS's alarmism movement loves scrawling pro-egotism graffiti over everything. This is nothing less than a betrayal of the many by the few. Even so, after encountering daily examples of how libidinous ESS can be, most of us are no longer surprised by any of its actions, no matter how stiff-necked they are and no matter how likely they are to prosecute, sentence, and label people as treasonous zobs without the benefit of any evidence whatsoever. Some things really get my goat. For instance, not only does ESS repeatedly get away with focusing too much on one side of the equation and not enough on the broader perspective of things, but it once even received an award from a group of lamebrained tatterdemalions for clear-cutting ancient forest lands. Let me off this twisted carnival ride! It's making me get fired from my job.

If ESS manages to insist that our society be infested with animalism, irreligionism, antiheroism, and an impressive swarm of other “isms”, our nation will not endure as a civilization, as a geopolitical entity, or even as a society. Rather, it will exist only as a prison, a prison in which deceitful euphuists perpetuate toxic systems of privilege and oppression. ESS is morally irresponsible and mentally feeble. That's too big of a subject to get into here so let me instead discuss how it has recently altered the tone of its enormities. They're no longer a dirge-like recitation of perpetual victimization but rather a preview of new trends in “resistance” propagandizing. For example, ESS has been showcasing its latest techniques for obscuring unpleasant facts, facts such as that its compeers argue that it's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. These are the same slimy frauds who saddle the economy with crippling debt. This is no coincidence; ESS is often accused of nailing people to trees. Its pickthanks usually respond with a message along the lines of, “So what? At least ESS isn't establishing tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion.” I suppose there's an argument to be made for that, but aren't we forgetting that ESS demonstrates a terrible, inaccurate, even cullionly, misuse of history with its yellow-bellied disquisitions?

In keeping with all of their inner deluded brutality, ESS's compatriots send mad con artists on safari holidays instead of publicly birching them. Randy pauteners flock to ESS because they perceive it as the hero who will ultimately deflect the torrentially marketed civic mindlessness and malevolence that's groping them, goosing them, intimidating them, bamboozling them, indebting them, surveilling them, and, in so doing, imprisoning them. If you don't think that ESS's incessant word-mongering makes me think that I cannot think of any satisfactory rationale it could put forward that would justify its decision to feature simplistic answers to complex problems, then you've missed the whole point of this letter. Strictly speaking, if ESS would abandon its name-calling and false dichotomies it would be much easier for me to deliver ESS from its appalling ignorance.

Even so, we can and we must do better. We must also discuss at length and in full horrific detail all of ESS's snooty exegeses and drossy, uninformed traducements. I invite all voices who wish to participate in this discussion, and I am committed to ensuring that they are supported and able to be heard. Only through such conversations can we reveal the nature and activity of ESS's hangers-on and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims. As you know, that's the best way to expand people's understanding of its balmy, unconscionable gibes. This is neither a side project nor a temporary distraction. Rather, it is critical to the future of our nation. It is how we convey to others that an armed revolt against ESS is morally justified. However, I avow that it is not yet strategically justified. Let me end this letter with a call to action. Please join those of us who are making technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence, and through your support we will lay the groundwork for an upcoming attempt to do everything humanly possible to clean up the country and get it back on course again. Together we will say “no” to ESS's irresponsible stances. Together we will expose ESS's malversation.

 

[daveprice7]

I have two orders of business regarding ESS. To plunge right into it, ESS is environmentally favored and genetically predisposed to controlling what we do and how we do it. What does that mean in plain English? It means I know some sevidical quiddlers who actually believe that ESS is a living bodhisattva of peace and nonviolence. Incredible? Those same people have told me that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. With such people roaming about, it should come as no surprise to you that there are lots of weepy, wimpy flower children out there who are always whining that I'm being too harsh in my criticisms of ESS. I wish such people would wake up and realize that many people who follow ESS's magic-bullet explanations have come to the erroneous conclusion that cannibalism, wife-swapping, and the murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior. The stark truth of the matter is that organizations like it consider themselves heroes. They are not. Rather, if I said that ESS's musings provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything, I'd be a liar. But I'd be being completely honest if I said that circumstantial evidence is always probative to show intent. The circumstantial evidence in ESS's case is that ESS wants to cast grave accusations of treason at all of its rivals. Faugh.

It is pointless to fret about the damage already caused by ESS's aggressive, apolaustic monographs. The past cannot be changed. We must cope with the present if we hope to affect our future and ask the tough questions and not shy away from the tough answers. The significance of doing so is that it manipulates public opinion through raw emotion, sexual desire, “family values”, comedy, music, entertainment, false religion, social engineering, journalistic propaganda, and junk science. You don't need to be the smartest guy on the planet to figure that out. Heck, even the lowliest Joe Six-Pack knows that ESS proclaims that the ancient Egyptians used psychic powers to build the pyramids. What planet is it from? The planet Crime-stained? It would take days to give the complete answer to that question, but the gist of it is that it is no accident that those who fight against ESS's heartless press releases are inevitably branded as stuck-up and ophidian by ESS's vassals.

Confronted with this pile of words, the reader may be inclined to nod and move on. However, I ask that you stop for a moment and look: I am of two minds about the source of ESS's current flirtation with Titoism. Perhaps it's a predictable by-product of its hatchet jobs, a toxic gas emitted by the mighty engine of ESS's desire to implant within the government a set of fifth columnists who are devoted to its dream of tearing down everything that can possibly be regarded as a support of cultural elevation. Or perhaps it relates to how a central point of ESS's belief systems is the notion that ESS has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. Perhaps it should take some new data into account and revisit that notion. I think it'd find that its misbegotten policies are an unbroken line of one disaster after another. Nevertheless, I can state with absolute certainty that its blather about how a totalitarian dictatorship is the best form of government we could possibly have has no basis in reality.

But its beliefs aren't about reality. They're about silencing any criticism of the brainwashing and double standards that it has increasingly been practicing. In other words, ESS's propaganda factories continuously spew forth messages like, “ESS has the experience, ideas, leadership, and integrity to move our nation forward” and, “You and I are inferior to the most peremptory crybabies you'll ever see”. What they don't tell you, though, is that it's indubitably a tragedy that ESS's goal in life is apparently to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought. Here, I use the word “tragedy” as the philosopher Whitehead used it. Whitehead stated that “the essence of dramatic tragedy is not unhappiness. It resides in the solemnity of the remorseless working of things,” which I interpret as saying that in any decent society, ESS would be just another reckless four-flusher standing on a streetcorner braying its nonsensical diatribes from atop a soapbox. Nevertheless, it has managed to gain some credibility among grotty leighsters because they relate to her message that things have never been better.

ESS's alarmism movement loves scrawling pro-egotism graffiti over everything. This is nothing less than a betrayal of the many by the few. Even so, after encountering daily examples of how libidinous ESS can be, most of us are no longer surprised by any of its actions, no matter how stiff-necked they are and no matter how likely they are to prosecute, sentence, and label people as treasonous zobs without the benefit of any evidence whatsoever. Some things really get my goat. For instance, not only does ESS repeatedly get away with focusing too much on one side of the equation and not enough on the broader perspective of things, but it once even received an award from a group of lamebrained tatterdemalions for clear-cutting ancient forest lands. Let me off this twisted carnival ride! It's making me get fired from my job.

If ESS manages to insist that our society be infested with animalism, irreligionism, antiheroism, and an impressive swarm of other “isms”, our nation will not endure as a civilization, as a geopolitical entity, or even as a society. Rather, it will exist only as a prison, a prison in which deceitful euphuists perpetuate toxic systems of privilege and oppression. ESS is morally irresponsible and mentally feeble. That's too big of a subject to get into here so let me instead discuss how it has recently altered the tone of its enormities. They're no longer a dirge-like recitation of perpetual victimization but rather a preview of new trends in “resistance” propagandizing. For example, ESS has been showcasing its latest techniques for obscuring unpleasant facts, facts such as that its compeers argue that it's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. These are the same slimy frauds who saddle the economy with crippling debt. This is no coincidence; ESS is often accused of nailing people to trees. Its pickthanks usually respond with a message along the lines of, “So what? At least ESS isn't establishing tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion.” I suppose there's an argument to be made for that, but aren't we forgetting that ESS demonstrates a terrible, inaccurate, even cullionly, misuse of history with its yellow-bellied disquisitions?

In keeping with all of their inner deluded brutality, ESS's compatriots send mad con artists on safari holidays instead of publicly birching them. Randy pauteners flock to ESS because they perceive it as the hero who will ultimately deflect the torrentially marketed civic mindlessness and malevolence that's groping them, goosing them, intimidating them, bamboozling them, indebting them, surveilling them, and, in so doing, imprisoning them. If you don't think that ESS's incessant word-mongering makes me think that I cannot think of any satisfactory rationale it could put forward that would justify its decision to feature simplistic answers to complex problems, then you've missed the whole point of this letter. Strictly speaking, if ESS would abandon its name-calling and false dichotomies it would be much easier for me to deliver ESS from its appalling ignorance.

Even so, we can and we must do better. We must also discuss at length and in full horrific detail all of ESS's snooty exegeses and drossy, uninformed traducements. I invite all voices who wish to participate in this discussion, and I am committed to ensuring that they are supported and able to be heard. Only through such conversations can we reveal the nature and activity of ESS's hangers-on and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims. As you know, that's the best way to expand people's understanding of its balmy, unconscionable gibes. This is neither a side project nor a temporary distraction. Rather, it is critical to the future of our nation. It is how we convey to others that an armed revolt against ESS is morally justified. However, I avow that it is not yet strategically justified. Let me end this letter with a call to action. Please join those of us who are making technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence, and through your support we will lay the groundwork for an upcoming attempt to do everything humanly possible to clean up the country and get it back on course again. Together we will say “no” to ESS's irresponsible stances. Together we will expose ESS's malversation.

I gotta ask.. Is this some famous document or speech and you replaced communism with ESS?

 

[nostatic]

I gotta ask.. Is this some famous document or speech and you replaced communism with ESS?

one of my favorite sites

https://www.pakin.org/complaint/

 

[HardSell]

I'm getting nearly 23 mpg lifetime and that's pretty damn good.

My 5sp lifted '87 XJ got 19-21 hiway mpg with ethanol... 21-23 hiway straight regular (no ethanol). I simply cannot be impressed with the new JL mileage considering that 33 years of assumed technological advances should have been gained. Think of aircraft evolution the 33 years between 1934 and 1967.

A '65 VW typically got 40 mpg!

Check out the stats for a '57 Scotsman...look at the size of that thing!

Moreover.....

 

[WreckEm711]

It's become so mechanical I don't even think about it, get in, start, ess, put it in gear, go. I give it so little thought I completely forgot to tell my wife about it when she drove it and she thought she killed it, and I had too for a split second. I'm not so pampered I can't press a button

 

[OnlyOne]

All I got from this was there was a bunch of bored people on this site. I’m glad I went to 37s, so I could reprogram the speedo with a Tazer and in turn get rid of that shit ESS. Those that like it probably just think the extra button on the dash is cool to look at......

 

[sf5211]

I too am not a fan of ESS but am amazed at what folks will do to “beat” the system. One guy said he doesn’t latch his seatbelt! I’m so in the habit of hitting the start button then hitting the ESS button that I hardly ever forget. Sometimes I start my keyed work truck then move my finger 5 inches to the right looking for the non existent button.
Maybe once a month I’ll forget, no big deal, step on the clutch, hit the button.

 

[Sean L]

My 5sp lifted '87 XJ got 19-21 hiway mpg with ethanol... 21-23 hiway straight regular (no ethanol). I simply cannot be impressed with the new JL mileage considering that 33 years of assumed technological advances should have been gained. Think of aircraft evolution the 33 years between 1934 and 1967.

A '65 VW typically got 40 mpg!

Check out the stats for a '57 Scotsman...look at the size of that thing!

Moreover.....

It's all in how you drive my friend. I usually exceed the fuel economy estimates. I pulled 28 MPG on the highway on a trip to DC in the Jeep. And my 21 MPG average is me scooting around town with a light foot and taking advantage of the ESS at red lights.
My wife's Honda is only rated at 36 MPG on the highway but she can readily pull 42. This is in a car with an engine much bigger than that VW and it has almost 5 times as much power. Putting a small engine with a tiny carburetor in a very lightweight car will mean it won't use much fuel, but a 1965 Beetle only made 40 Hp. Her Honda makes 190 Hp and is able to maintain modern highway speeds in a very efficient manner.
Back in 1965 if you wanted 190 Hp like her car you were getting a large inline 6 and nowhere near 40 MPG.

 

[TimmH]

Failure to continue the climate control system when ESS kicks in is the failure.

95 degrees outside, get to a light and ESS kicks on, hot air blows out, and I'm back to square one by the time it starts going again.

If not for that failure, I would just let it do it's thing, but it's too hot in South Florida to use it on any regular basis.

 

[aldo98229]

And...don’t remove the front air dam. And, most importantly, always drive down wind and down hill.

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