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If you're in the Randsburg CA area, there's a few joints to get a burger and beer and even one place to get a room.

There are countless mine in the El Paso Mountains north of China Lake CA.
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yesterday one of my buddies who I have wheeled with in moab more times than i can remember said he kind of wanted to do some desert type exploring where there might be some neat ruins to check out. I know Death Valley but any other less traveled places that are worth driving from Western Montana to check out?
I'll second Joshua Tree N.P. and add the adjacent Dale Mining District. It will take a little hiking, but where else are you going to find an old hit or miss engine out in the wild that hasn't grown legs (Wall Street Mill in the N.P.), plus there are several other mines in the park and surrounding area?

There are many of these abandoned mining sites all over the Southwest, so maybe make a wide circle through Utah, Arizona, California and Nevada! The TrailRecon Youtube channel has covered several mining sites in California and Arizona, and check out the Ask Jeff Williams channel as he mines and explores all over Arizona and Nevada and somewhat into California.

If traveling that far, might as well visit the Glamis sand dunes to play in the sand, but constantly drifting sand pretty much covers up any old historical remnants, although there is a huge active heap leaching gold mining operation going on just to the east of the dunes.

https://www.exploredesert.com/joshua-tree-old-dale-mining-district/
 

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AZ has lots of historical sites and mining camps. Some are very close to major cities, Phoenix, Tucson, etc. You’ll also have your pick of hard, moderate, and easy to get to some of these sites. We have great trails that take you from low desert, to high desert, and end in the forest.
 

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If you are ever around Bisbee, AZ, and want to see mines, there is an underground train that takes you about a mile back in the old copper mine. It appears to still be running and it is a great experience (if you don't mind being underground for an hour or so.)

https://www.bisbeeaz.gov/2172/Copper-Queen-Mine-Tours
 

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You have an extremely weird perspective. There's usually a tiny bit of 50 to 100 year old trash (aka artifacts) in these places, but overall they're damn cool. Hell, that trash tells a lot about how those oldtimers lived.

Most of these abandoned camps and mines are in areas where people like you and I would not survive. She lots of them have been preserved astonishingly well.
There are some mining areas that have interesting artifacts. Most of those artifacts have already been removed but there are some still around, and they can be interesting. However, there are many places that are pretty trashed. The land is trashed and what is left behind is hardly that interesting. There are mining claims that are now being used to simply claim the area for vacation use and not mining. I think about what the land looked like before the mining, which was usually gold and silver, and how beautiful it actually was. To compare the pyramids to a bunch of water cannoned creek is apples and oranges. Like I said, there are interesting areas that are preserved and areas that just look like a bomb went off and was left that way. Think of it this way. If I took a backhoe into the forest and dug a bunch of huge holes looking for minerals and left it that way what would anyone think of that? Have you seen strip mining tailings?
 

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There are some mining areas that have interesting artifacts. Most of those artifacts have already been removed but there are some still around, and they can be interesting. However, there are many places that are pretty trashed. The land is trashed and what is left behind is hardly that interesting. There are mining claims that are now being used to simply claim the area for vacation use and not mining. I think about what the land looked like before the mining, which was usually gold and silver, and how beautiful it actually was. To compare the pyramids to a bunch of water cannoned creek is apples and oranges. Like I said, there are interesting areas that are preserved and areas that just look like a bomb went off and was left that way. Think of it this way. If I took a backhoe into the forest and dug a bunch of huge holes looking for minerals and left it that way what would anyone think of that? Have you seen strip mining tailings?
I guess petroglyphs are just defacing graffiti on otherwise beautiful rocks?
 

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I guess petroglyphs are just defacing graffiti on otherwise beautiful rocks?
The difference in graffiti and historical markings is only time. Someone finds a dick on a wall drawn this year its a crime, find one drawn by a dude in Pompeii before the eruption, great historical significance
 

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The difference in graffiti and historical markings is only time. Someone finds a dick on a wall drawn this year its a crime, find one drawn by a dude in Pompeii before the eruption, great historical significance
So, the real question is: How much time? Apparently, only certain people get to decide. Mining from a century ago is still ugly to them and the sewers from 3000 years ago in Egypt are ... fascinating.
 

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So, the real question is: How much time? Apparently, only certain people get to decide. Mining from a century ago is still ugly to them and the sewers from 3000 years ago in Egypt are ... fascinating.
Somewhere close to the line between graverobbing and archeology.
 

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Ok on a desert/ruins note, I know it is not close to you on Montana, but the Big Bend/Terlingua/Lajitas area has tons of back country roads, mine and ranch ruins, and is very definitely a desert.
 
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So, the real question is: How much time? Apparently, only certain people get to decide. Mining from a century ago is still ugly to them and the sewers from 3000 years ago in Egypt are ... fascinating.
True. Who decides how much time has to pass before it's archeology and not grave robbing?
 

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I also like exploring old places. Other options that I have found interesting are following old/historic/abandoned roads and WWII training areas. Examples:

1. Mojave Road near Joshua Park. Original Indian (aka NA) trading route, missionary path, and then wagon trail from Colorado River to the Inland Valley (aka "LA"). Old forts, watering holes and springs, and you can still see some wagon ruts.

2. Gen Patton's desert training center in SoCal desert. Plenty of old camps, airfields, and bombing ranges that you can find using Google Maps satellite view.
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