D60 owners - How??

[Rubidozer]

If you want it in simple terms... quit worrying about what others do. Focus on your own shit. If you aren't happy with what you're doing change it. You can start by getting out of Commiefornia.

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[rubileon]

Well 392 will need 60’s to handle all that power so.

Fake news

 

[Revolution_322]

Fake news

If you think dana 44s can handle 475 tq reliably on a 2.5 ton vehicle you have zero credibility.

 

[D60]

Seems to me the best way to approach this for the least money is patiently acquire parts.

Look for a deal on SuperDuty axles and then use the Artec trusses

Hell you can run steel 8 lug wheels if you want. But yeah, you've got driveshafts, brake lines, etc. It's amazing how those little things push the project cost up if you ever tally them (solution: never add up all your receipts!)

I'm just so NOT excited about proprietary parts that I tend to prefer JY/off-the-shelf solutions....

 

[guarnibl]

If you think dana 44s can handle 475 tq reliably on a 2.5 ton vehicle you have zero credibility.

Yeah, reliably is the key here.

It can handle it just not reliably wheeling (one wrong press of the pedal in a bad spot and GG) or if you're beating the piss out of it, or if you size up the tires. Have done it, but we know how people get with their vehicles. I think FCA will just deny warranty coverage easily. It would be way more ideal to at least put a full-float 60 in the rear. Otherwise I would expect a lot of warranty claims.

 

[Maverick909]

myself i just save what i can when i can for my "slush/toys". or when i sell something i am no longer into or haven't used in a year or more than its gone. that money then goes into the toy fund and not anywhere else. I tend you also us one other method with my cash fun. My CC. purchase on the CC get the points and then pay it off 15 days later. free money back into the toys/jeep fund. its nice having a points CC that you pay off each month for your everyday things you spend money on anyways and get a few cents back on each purchase. i save those until i have enough to by a mod. one and done.

 

[rubileon]

If you think dana 44s can handle 475 tq reliably on a 2.5 ton vehicle you have zero credibility.

Your knowledge is grossly outdated.

The first gen D44s you speak of were not even used in the JK because JKs had Gen 2:


The JL doesn't have Dana 44... they are Dana M220 (3rd Gen):



Also look at the 3 liter diesel... 442 lb ft. of torque starting at 1400 rpm is likely to matter more than 465 at above 4000 rpm of the 6.4 Hemi.

Apology accepted. Go learn something.

 

[Revolution_322]

Yeah, reliably is the key here.

It can handle it just not reliably wheeling (one wrong press of the pedal in a bad spot and GG) or if you're beating the piss out of it, or if you size up the tires. Have done it, but we know how people get with their vehicles. I think FCA will just deny warranty coverage easily. It would be way more ideal to at least put a full-float 60 in the rear. Otherwise I would expect a lot of warranty claims.

Either that or maybe its not going down the way we all expect it. Might just be a 5.7 which would be better.

 

[guarnibl]

Either that or maybe its not going down the way we all expect it. Might just be a 5.7 which would be better.

Honestly would be OK with the 5.7, but I do think we'll get the 392 like the power wagon. The axles are strong enough, but knowing how people wheel/abuse their vehicles if I was FCA I'd throw a 60 under it and bump the price another $5k.

 

[rubileon]

I think you're picking nits.....but whatever. It's not like the M220 is suddenly a D60 equivalent.

No one was saying that, Sean. Please read the post to which I originally replied.

 

[guarnibl]

Yeah, I did read the one you replied to....

Rev_322 said, "If you think dana 44s can handle 475 tq reliably on a 2.5 ton vehicle you have zero credibility. "

Zero credibility is a bit much....but difficult wheeling with a 2.5T vehicle on 1/2T axles isn't a recipe for a durable platform; especially when you start increasing the engine output drastically.

That said, I think your point about the diesel was a brilliant counter....but also think Jeep probably shouldn't have used 1/2T axles in that set up either for the same reason.

It boils down to this: for the weight and power range these vehicles are entering, the factory really needs to step up to 1T running gear if they are at all interested in longevity and avoiding warranty issues (though much of the latter will likely be negated by being more stringent on denying warranty claims for modifications). A M220 isn't a D60. Period.

1000%.

 

[Revolution_322]

Your knowledge is grossly outdated.

The first gen D44s you speak of were not even used in the JK because JKs had Gen 2:


The JL doesn't have Dana 44... they are Dana M220 (3rd Gen):



Also look at the 3 liter diesel... 442 lb ft. of torque starting at 1400 rpm is likely to matter more than 465 at above 4000 rpm of the 6.4 Hemi.

Apology accepted. Go learn something.

Youre completely wrong. A diesel doesnt produce power. It produces slow turning force. A high HP v8 can snap things way easier. I dont need your youtube links . Ive pulled jl and jl axles before to repair seals and shafts i know what they look like. But hey im sure your internet education trumps that.

 

[oceanblue2019]

Yeah, I did read the one you replied to....

Rev_322 said, "If you think dana 44s can handle 475 tq reliably on a 2.5 ton vehicle you have zero credibility. "

Zero credibility is a bit much....but difficult wheeling with a 2.5T vehicle on 1/2T axles isn't a recipe for a durable platform; especially when you start increasing the engine output drastically.

That said, I think your point about the diesel was a brilliant counter....but also think Jeep probably shouldn't have used 1/2T axles in that set up either for the same reason.

It boils down to this: for the weight and power range these vehicles are entering, the factory really needs to step up to 1T running gear if they are at all interested in longevity and avoiding warranty issues (though much of the latter will likely be negated by being more stringent on denying warranty claims for modifications). A M220 isn't a D60. Period.

So is there anything between a M220 and a D60 in the Dana/Spicer catalog used on other current vehicles?

 

[rubileon]

Yeah, I did read the one you replied to....

Rev_322 said, "If you think dana 44s can handle 475 tq reliably on a 2.5 ton vehicle you have zero credibility. "

No again, Sean... see below for the original one to which I replied...

Well 392 will need 60’s to handle all that power so.

 

[rubileon]

Youre completely wrong. A diesel doesnt produce power. It produces slow turning force.

I mean

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