Consumer Reports strikes again

[yokramer]

Wait, wasn't you-know-who working there when the Ecoli outbreak happened? Just sayin'...

But yes, take me back to the days of the 16mpg ranger-based Ford Explorer with the wheezing 4.0 V6 and an automatic that only Slushee Corp would be proud of. We thought we had it so good back then, when an SUV had real balls, you know what I mean?

When you had to wonder if you could accelerate onto the highway in front of that semi or not ... ahh those were the days

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[Remorseless]

When you had to wonder if you could accelerate onto the highway in front of that semi or not ... ahh those were the days

And with my XJ add in "Wonder if you'd have any coolant left by the time you got up to speed"

 

[NWJeepr]

Nothing wrong with old age and wisdom. Those are the guys that have been wheeling for 40 plus years and have done all the breaking shit and doing dumb stuff they need to do. When I go out with a Jeep club I queue up behind those guys to copy their line rather than the younger guys with a “send it” mentality. I’m old but I’m a late bloomer in the Jeep world.

Noticed this during my trips to Moab. Throttle is the answer with the young guys. Tear the hell out of trails, throw rocks, send it, drive it like it's sponsored. No trail etiquette what-so-ever. I'm not even old. Stayed the hell out of their way. Most with Texas plates I noticed.

 

[Remorseless]

Noticed this during my trips to Moab. Throttle is the answer with the young guys. Tear the hell out of trails, throw rocks, send it, drive it like it's sponsored. No trail etiquette what-so-ever. I'm not even old. Stayed the hell out of their way. Most with Texas plates I noticed.

Honestly, at least out here, I haven't noticed it as much tied to age but to rig.

Clapped out shitbox, regardless of make - send it.

Expensive Jeep - sometimes annoyingly ginger.

SxS - one end of the extreme or the other.

Dirtbike - maniacs.

V8 swapped semi-buggy Jeep - someone's ending up on their side.

Tacoma - annoyingly ginger but on the easy trails.

Subaru - confused about where they are but still moving with enough speed that you cringe every time they crunch.

 

[21JLURDG]

A lot of sensitive Jeep-owners here. CR publishes their reliability findings based on the self-reporting of thousands of Jeep owners. Not just Jeep enthusiasts such as the ones in this forum. The testing they do on their own vehicles is for reporting on how the vehicle performs--not reliability. And frankly, I trust them much better than organizations such as JD Powers that have manufacturers' support and look at only new vehicles where the warranty period is usually still in effect.

I bought mine knowing that it's not the most reliable, but I got it for the 4-wheeling capabilities. After 40K miles, I'm not surprised to have had wheel well liner ripped out by the wind, PCM replaced, ABS computer replaced, turbo replaced, engine oil leaks, and software glitches. So pull your panties out and be happy they still make a real solid axle 4x4.

 

[NWJeepr]

Honestly, at least out here, I haven't noticed it as much tied to age but to rig.

Clapped out shitbox, regardless of make - send it.

Expensive Jeep - sometimes annoyingly ginger.

SxS - one end of the extreme or the other.

Dirtbike - maniacs.

V8 swapped semi-buggy Jeep - someone's ending up on their side.

Tacoma - annoyingly ginger but on the easy trails.

Subaru - confused about where they are but still moving with enough speed that you cringe every time they crunch.

The genre I'm referring to -

Usually flying a thinly veiled political flag, "Don't tread on me,"
Angry grill and/or headlights with halo LED's of selectable colors
Some kind of gun sticker to let everyone know they're armed, or there's potentially something of value to steal in their Jeep.
BIG tires. Usually a cheap brand. Typically on stupidly large wheels.
Not enough lift--or gearing, for that matter.
Light bars for light bars.
No spare (couldn't afford it, but, they they don't carry one to help departure angle)
Add rooftop tent and/or awning for cushion effect, after yee yee throttle pumping.

 

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The genre I'm referring to -

Usually flying a thinly veiled political flag, "Don't tread on me,"
Angry grill and/or headlights with halo LED's of selectable colors
Some kind of gun sticker to let everyone know they're armed, or there's potentially something of value to steal in their Jeep.
BIG tires. Usually a cheap brand. Typically on stupidly large wheels.
Not enough lift--or gearing, for that matter.
Light bars for light bars.
No spare (couldn't afford it, but, they they don't carry one to help departure angle)
Add rooftop tent and/or awning for cushion effect, after yee yee throttle pumping.

The Gadsden flag has been used by pretty much every political party in the US has adapted the flag and sentiment to their causes, so it always wilds me out when folks are like "IT'S ONE OF THEM" about it when "THEM" could be like any political party. But then again folks who choose to fly flags on their vehicle also confuse me. I own exactly one flag (US flag) and it's bolted to my house, and I hemmed and hawed on that one for a minute too. I dunno how someone makes the decision to put a flag on their vehicle so willy nilly.

Gun sticker I put into a couple different ones depending on situation. Beater pickup - old guy probably, probably armed, but probably just gonna take the bypass. On a Jeep, if overlandy, poser, he'll take the bypass and it'll be overly ginger despite his wannabe tough guy appearance. If a more built Jeep, level of built will probably coincide with level of send. I'd assign the same stance to folks with flags flying, but with a little + to the level of send.

I do agree that folks who deliberately put angry grills on their Jeeps usually wheel like crazies though, along with those who love lightbars and big rims. I would put RTT and awning folks into the "Too ginger" category though. They're overlanding and obstacles are scary.

No spare is tough though. Sometimes they're running tires big enough that carrying around a spare would be stupid (40s+ typically), but don't actually wheel like goobers - they just have a lot of money to throw at a Jeep. Sometimes they've replaced the spare with a light bar or a delete for looks and would fall into the "Probably gonna wheel like maniacs" category.

 

[NWJeepr]

The Gadsden flag has been used by pretty much every political party in the US has adapted the flag and sentiment to their causes, so it always wilds me out when folks are like "IT'S ONE OF THEM" about it when "THEM" could be like any political party. But then again folks who choose to fly flags on their vehicle also confuse me. I own exactly one flag (US flag) and it's bolted to my house, and I hemmed and hawed on that one for a minute too. I dunno how someone makes the decision to put a flag on their vehicle so willy nilly.

Gun sticker I put into a couple different ones depending on situation. Beater pickup - old guy probably, probably armed, but probably just gonna take the bypass. On a Jeep, if overlandy, poser, he'll take the bypass and it'll be overly ginger despite his wannabe tough guy appearance. If a more built Jeep, level of built will probably coincide with level of send. I'd assign the same stance to folks with flags flying, but with a little + to the level of send.

I do agree that folks who deliberately put angry grills on their Jeeps usually wheel like crazies though, along with those who love lightbars and big rims. I would put RTT and awning folks into the "Too ginger" category though. They're overlanding and obstacles are scary.

No spare is tough though. Sometimes they're running tires big enough that carrying around a spare would be stupid (40s+ typically), but don't actually wheel like goobers - they just have a lot of money to throw at a Jeep. Sometimes they've replaced the spare with a light bar or a delete for looks and would fall into the "Probably gonna wheel like maniacs" category.

Yep, agreed, and do know the history of the Gadsden flag, as well as the more recent history, same as the American Flag, where people would prefer it represent more specific political leanings and tribalism. That's the piece that wilds me out, not the flag itself.

There are certainly cases in Moab where a rear-mounted spare is 100% a liability and you'll end up with a bent tailgate and/or busted rear window. There's a purpose and place for not having a spare. That doesn't always seem to match the situation, and/or the likelihood that someone would be able to repair or plug a tire on the trail or is carrying the necessary tools to do so!

Light bars turned on during the day time also give me the giggles...


Wait, weren't we bitching about another Consumer Reports Washing Machine review of the Wrangler? I digress...

 

[Twisted10]

Thats it, angry grill and 24" wheels and squat coming for my 392.

 

[NWJeepr]

Thats it, angry grill and 24" wheels and squat coming for my 392.

Pics, or it didn't happen...

 

[Remorseless]

Yep, agreed, and do know the history of the Gadsden flag, as well as the more recent history, same as the American Flag, where people would prefer it represent more specific political leanings and tribalism. That's the piece that wilds me out, not the flag itself.

There are certainly cases in Moab where a rear-mounted spare is 100% a liability and you'll end up with a bent tailgate and/or busted rear window. There's a purpose and place for not having a spare. That doesn't always seem to match the situation, and/or the likelihood that someone would be able to repair or plug a tire on the trail or is carrying the necessary tools to do so!

Light bars turned on during the day time also give me the giggles...


Wait, weren't we bitching about another Consumer Reports Washing Machine review of the Wrangler? I digress...

I think most folks who run no spare and don't care about punctures are folks who trailer. Would be nice to have that kind of "Don't give a fuck if I break it and it's a bitch" situation.

And don't you know the more colors your lightbar displays the more pussy you get? DUH.

 

[Terrymo]

I’m unapologetically patriotic. I have a flag on the house 24/7/365. Also flag decals on the Jeep. I didn’t know anyone was drawing conclusions and could care less. I don’t debate politics or religion with anyone or care whether or not your views align with mine. That’s the beauty of America.

 

[Remorseless]

I’m unapologetically patriotic. I have a flag on the house 24/7/365. Also flag decals on the Jeep. I didn’t know anyone was drawing conclusions and could care less. I don’t debate politics or religion with anyone or care whether or not your views align with mine. That’s the beauty of America.

Will say I draw a distinction between a flag vinyl and a flag on a whip pole. I imagine something more like this when I judge people:

 

[Terrymo]

Will say I draw a distinction between a flag vinyl and a flag on a whip pole. I imagine something more like this when I judge people:

Like all the cockroaches that come out at night in Glamis. I get it.

 

[Remorseless]

Like all the cockroaches that come out at night in Glamis. I get it.

They're just out during the day and in Jeeps sometimes nowadays. And when they have the light up flag pole you know they're probably not going to be considerate wheeling neighbors.

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