Concern over issues

[SixteenPaws]

And what do those codes mean? I'd like to see the source on this. 30k is a huge number. I'm not sure there's even enough space there to hold 30k.

Give us more info, or I'll be chalking this up to more Chicken Little squawking.

Looks like he was just giving generic reasons not actually codes, like “The Jeeps are held up for whatever reason... fill in the blank”. As for the number there have been a couple posts referencing this and I believe it came from a Jeep rep, though the reasons are unknown. Looks like they have held up a quite few and stored them in various locations in Ohio and Illinois based on the tracking spreadsheet.

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[MikeinMD]

Relax. You are on an internet forum.

I've had zero issues. Zero.

I'll second that. Picked mine up March 3rd, 3000 miles on the clock now, and no issues (maybe a leaky rear windshield fluid, but whatever). This thing is just AWESOME!

 

[PavementWarrior]

Count up the issues that you've heard about... Multiply it by 10. Do you think the number is high? Toledo is pushing out somewhere near 1000 JLs every day (reports vary between 850 and 1100). How does the number of reported issues compare to the number of vehicles hitting the street? How do you believe that compares to any other mass-produced vehicle?

I have NO concerns. I'm eager to get behind the wheel and I plan to enjoy every minute of it!

How does it compare? If only there were massive statistics kept on this sort of thing.. oh wait there is.. and yes Jeep is much worse than other brands.

Get the proven 3.6 v6 (vs the god only knows turbo), plan a few extra trips while under warranty. Alot of people have been happy after a batch of oddities early on historically...

Before the warranty runs out you should know if its a keeper.

The scary zone for me is early on not knowing if its gonna crap out up in the mountains..

 

[That One Guy]

And what do those codes mean? I'd like to see the source on this. 30k is a huge number. I'm not sure there's even enough space there to hold 30k.

Give us more info, or I'll be chalking this up to more Chicken Little squawking.

"Chicken Little" squawking is you giving your single ownership example to any objective thinker going "guys, are there issues going on with these?"

Whether it's 30,000 or 5,000 being held, it makes people wonder--and for good reason. Please stop bashing careful, informed buyers that are just trying to do their due diligence. It's heartwarming to hear the "my jeeps never let me down" story (as another member hilariously puts it), but that is one story, not the whole story. I realize that you're the Brand Loyalty type, but cause for concern has certainly been presented over our subforums.

You're correct about reading forum posts being bad for defect anxiety. A single, lone post about a problem Jeep is about as useless as a single post about a troublefree Jeep. Until meaningful statistics get gathered, sometimes they're what some have to make their decisions on, though.

 

[That One Guy]

How does it compare? If only there were massive statistics kept on this sort of thing.. oh wait there is.. and yes Jeep is much worse than other brands.

Get the proven 3.6 v6 (vs the god only knows turbo), plan a few extra trips while under warranty. Alot of people have been happy after a batch of oddities early on historically...

Before the warranty runs out you should know if its a keeper.

The scary zone for me is early on not knowing if its gonna crap out up in the mountains..

I won't be going extended warranty on mine, because to me if you feel the need for it, you probably don't have much confidence in the vehicle to begin with.

Since the warranty runs 5 years, and I'll probably drive 12,000 a year (how convenient), I think I'll know by 60k whether it's been the Best Thing Ever, or been plagued with the worst aspects of FCA/Jeep.

With you 100% on the mountains point. A warranty doesn't immediately do much for me when it fails ten miles up a dirt road at 9,000 feet without cell reception... unless Jeep is paying for offroad tows these days haha!

 

[That One Guy]

I'll second that. Picked mine up March 3rd, 3000 miles on the clock now, and no issues (maybe a leaky rear windshield fluid, but whatever). This thing is just AWESOME!

generally, when any Wrangler is functioning correctly, they're the funnest thing ever. In a perfect world Toyota would build them, gas would be $1.00 a gallon, they'd be the only vehicle for sale, and V8's would still be available.

 

[MikeinMD]

generally, when any Wrangler is functioning correctly, they're the funnest thing ever. In a perfect world Toyota would build them, gas would be $1.00 a gallon, they'd be the only vehicle for sale, and V8's would still be available.

V8's, that's a whole other topic. I'm currently at least 12 hours in on a front end rebuild on my 68 Mustang V8. The interwebs quoted it as a 3 hour job. Hah!!! That's a car that breaks a lot!!!

 

[DanW]

"Chicken Little" squawking is you giving your single ownership example to any objective thinker going "guys, are there issues going on with these?"

Whether it's 30,000 or 5,000 being held, it makes people wonder--and for good reason. Please stop bashing careful, informed buyers that are just trying to do their due diligence. It's heartwarming to hear the "my jeeps never let me down" story (as another member hilariously puts it), but that is one story, not the whole story. I realize that you're the Brand Loyalty type, but cause for concern has certainly been presented over our subforums.

You're correct about reading forum posts being bad for defect anxiety. A single, lone post about a problem Jeep is about as useless as a single post about a troublefree Jeep. Until meaningful statistics get gathered, sometimes they're what some have to make their decisions on, though.

"Chicken Little" squawking is you giving your single ownership example to any objective thinker going "guys, are there issues going on with these?"

Whether it's 30,000 or 5,000 being held, it makes people wonder--and for good reason. Please stop bashing careful, informed buyers that are just trying to do their due diligence. It's heartwarming to hear the "my jeeps never let me down" story (as another member hilariously puts it), but that is one story, not the whole story. I realize that you're the Brand Loyalty type, but cause for concern has certainly been presented over our subforums.

You're correct about reading forum posts being bad for defect anxiety. A single, lone post about a problem Jeep is about as useless as a single post about a troublefree Jeep. Until meaningful statistics get gathered, sometimes they're what some have to make their decisions on, though.

Show me real stats. You also missed the part where I said if it breaks, get it fixed. My anecdotal info was meant to do nothing more than counter other anecdotal info, that's all.

Besides, IF there is this massive ball of Jeeps held up, might that be a good sign that they have found a problem and are fixing or preparing to fix them, before the customer gets them?

If someone wants to lay awake at night fretting, go ahead. My one single example was to help him see that his Jeep could be just fine. Why worry about it over nothing but fear?

Winston Churchill once said, "I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else."

 

[Mordin Solus]

I spent a few hours thinking on this in a room with a black light, black light posters, and listening to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida on a loop. Here are some thoughts.

First, the 30k number. Think I tracked that down to a post here where someone stated....

“I got a phone call from a friend who is a finance mgr at the dealership to update me yesterday. He actually put me on the phone with the GM or GSM (don't remember which). He told me that Jeep has 30k vehicles stuck in "containment," whatever that means. The dealership is getting no answers from the manufacturer (Jeep) as to why.”

While I am sure this is what he was told, we all know how sketchy info from dealerships can be at times. Like the guy who was told 2 door builds would begin in August......

Also, there will always be folks who have problems with their new vehicle. Many others will have none or minimal. I have a1sr year new gen car right now that has seen a good deal of time in the shop. So much so it has soured me on the brand. Many others have the same car and have had little to no issues.

Final thought, it is very easy to overthink things and get in a state of Analysis Paralysis. By all means be smart, do your research, and decide what’s best for you! Just try to avoid overthinking it.

 

[liquids]

Toyotas and Hondas are not perfect and Jeeps aren't either. Neither are they rattle traps. Actual numbers (JD Power) tracked by the automotive press put Jeep at an average of 209 individual problems per 100 vehicles after three years of ownership while the best automaker, Lexus, had 110. Industry average was 156. So Jeep is marginally worse than average, and has not quite twice as problematic as the best.

Whatever. We know they're not the best. But the best don't have a convertible SUV. That climbs rocks it you want it to. And has an entire industry of chassis and body customizations you can add.

 

[al16830]

I had ordered a new JLRU several weeks ago. It finally arrived at the Dealer this week, I had planned on going to pick it up today. They called saying they discovered a problem (during check in and inspection) in the center stack, obviously U-Connect related. Master tech at the dealer had been on the phone with tech support and Engineering all day still not fixed. I may not get to go see and drive it until late next week. I'm starting to have second thoughts.

 

[old8tora]

(JD Power)
But the best don't have a convertible SUV. That climbs rocks it you want it to. And has an entire industry of chassis and body customizations you can add.

I trust Jeeps and Joe Schmo on this forum .

I do not trust J.D. Power or Consumer Reports , because they are in bed with the manufacturers .

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