Ordering a rubi with non e torque 3.6 and auto trans issues.

[Jeepnutz]

If you want a V6 auto in a wrangler you’re getting etorque. Why don’t you like it? I wish mine had it. You get more torque smoother acceleration, and the auto stop works so much better because of the bsg.

The unreliable e-torque and ESS crap should be available as a option rather than forced on you. It adds unnecessary weight and complexity to a already over complex unreliable platform. I'm sure it's a great option for those who thrive in the concrete jungle and use their jeep as their daily driver. But for guys like me who avoid cities and stoplights like a plague and use their Jeep as they were intended, both e torque and ESS are just a paper weight that do absolutely nothing.

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[Jeepnutz]

Yes but ESS can be EASILY defeated if you want it really simple....

I NEVER use it.

Totally agree. ESS is very easy to delete. To bad the miserable over engineered pos e-torque isn't. Totally worthless in parts of the country where you don't go light to light.

 

[jellis4148]

The unreliable e-torque and ESS crap should be available as a option rather than forced on you. It adds unnecessary weight and complexity to a already over complex unreliable platform. I'm sure it's a great option for those who thrive in the concrete jungle and use their jeep as their daily driver. But for guys like me who avoid cities and stoplights like a plague and use their Jeep as they were intended, both e torque and ESS are just a paper weight that do absolutely nothing.

I do use my Jeep as intended. No trailer queen/pavement princess in this garage. That being said, I do like Etorque. Plus you get an extra 90lb ft of torque. Being completely honest, if they offered just a straight V6 with no ESS, or Etorque I would buy it, but since it's a must have I'll take it over the POS 2.0, diesel, or 392 any day of the week.

 

[LongTimeListener]

I do use my Jeep as intended. No trailer queen/pavement princess in this garage. That being said, I do like Etorque. Plus you get an extra 90lb ft of torque. Being completely honest, if they offered just a straight V6 with no ESS, or Etorque I would buy it, but since it's a must have I'll take it over the POS 2.0, diesel, or 392 any day of the week.

Same. I love how he assumes otherwise. I live a block off the national forest and spend most weekends in the backcountry.

Ultimately, it is what it is. Want the V6? You’re getting eTorque. Don’t like it? Buy used.

 

[Suspect]

Honestly I tried to avoid it at all costs but I was dead set on 2door w/ 3.6/AT since the diesel wasn’t available for the two doors. So far I REALLY like it but I just hope it holds up. If I lived were they salt the roads there’s no way I would’ve gotten it.

 

[Jeepnutz]

I do use my Jeep as intended. No trailer queen/pavement princess in this garage. That being said, I do like Etorque. Plus you get an extra 90lb ft of torque. Being completely honest, if they offered just a straight V6 with no ESS, or Etorque I would buy it, but since it's a must have I'll take it over the POS 2.0, diesel, or 392 any day of the week.

Here's hp and torque specs between a 2019 3.6 and a 2021 3.6 e torque. They are identical. The e torque only works for only 1/2 to one tire rotation with ess is what jeep told me. It makes sense since overall torque between the 3.6 engines is the same. Or am I missing something?

 

[JeepinJason33]

Here's hp and torque specs between a 2019 3.6 and a 2021 3.6 e torque. They are identical. The e torque only works for only 1/2 to one tire rotation with ess is what jeep told me. It makes sense since overall torque between the 3.6 engines is the same. Or am I missing something?

"The legendary Pentastar® V6 engine gets a boost with the addition of eTorque. The mild-hybrid system adds low-end torque for impressive starting power and exceptional rock crawling."

The Jeep website used to state that it applied 90 LB-FT of additional torque with the Etorque system. Now it just states it adds low-end torque. Either way, I was also totally against it but did not want the 2L turbo at all. The system is seamless (much better than my wifes 3.6 with ESS Grand Cherokee was). I have heard of fewer problems with this than the regular ESS. I believe it to be the lesser of two evils...

 

[Jeepnutz]

"The legendary Pentastar® V6 engine gets a boost with the addition of eTorque. The mild-hybrid system adds low-end torque for impressive starting power and exceptional rock crawling."

The Jeep website used to state that it applied 90 LB-FT of additional torque with the Etorque system. Now it just states it adds low-end torque. Either way, I was also totally against it but did not want the 2L turbo at all. The system is seamless (much better than my wifes 3.6 with ESS Grand Cherokee was). I have heard of fewer problems with this than the regular ESS. I believe it to be the lesser of two evils...

The ess was the first thing I deleted after the pos failed in a intersection and had to get towed. I think FCA got called out on their bloated 90 ft lb claim. Would love to see a full dyno with torque curve but can't seem to find one. It would clearly show if there was actually any low end torque gain vs the non etorque 3.6.

 

[Fargo]

The wedsite defaults to e-torque but you can order one without. Just make sure dealer knows. Mine arrives this week Non e-torque.

Rubicon or something else? I've heard you can get away from eTorque in some packages, but I believe the Rubicon with V6 and auto always gets eTorque.

I'd love to be wrong on that. I'm sitting here wanting to buy a new Rubicon, but I won't buy one with eTorque. I keep my vehicles a long time. You can be sure they will be replacing $1500 batteries and having all kinds of issues once that 8 year warranty is over.

 

[JeepinJason33]

The ess was the first thing I deleted after the pos failed in a intersection and had to get towed. I think FCA got called out on their bloated 90 ft lb claim. Would love to see a full dyno with torque curve but can't seem to find one. It would clearly show if there was actually any low end torque gain vs the non etorque 3.6.

All I can say is that the system has far exceeded my expectations thus far. The only downfall is the extra battery weight and additional skid plate that I needed to get for it from MetalCloak. I assume that a few years down there road there will be some kind of full delete kit offered.

 

[JeepinJason33]

Rubicon or something else? I've heard you can get away from eTorque in some packages, but I believe the Rubicon with V6 and auto always gets eTorque.

I'd love to be wrong on that. I'm sitting here wanting to buy a new Rubicon, but I won't buy one with eTorque. I keep my vehicles a long time. You can be sure they will be replacing $1500 batteries and having all kinds of issues once that 8 year warranty is over.

Only way to order a 2021 with the 3.6L automatic is with the Etorque system on every wrangler model.

 

[Jeepnutz]

Same. I love how he assumes otherwise. I live a block off the national forest and spend most weekends in the backcountry.

Ultimately, it is what it is. Want the V6? You’re getting eTorque. Don’t like it? Buy used.

Actually the pentastar is basically my last choice. Horrible torque curve unless you add a super charger but then you're married to premium fuel which is hard to come by out in the sticks.
And only available for the non e-torque 3.6. That lead me to the 396 but it also requires premium so that leaves me with the 3.0 eco. Delete the unreliable Al Gore fuel wasting dpf, def and egr and you have a very efficient and torquey engine. Decisions decisions.

 

[Jeepnutz]

All I can say is that the system has far exceeded my expectations thus far. The only downfall is the extra battery weight and additional skid plate that I needed to get for it from MetalCloak. I assume that a few years down there road there will be some kind of full delete kit offered.

Being the e-torque isn't even a option with the Gladiator platform, I might look at ordering one instead of another JLUR. Bob the bed, 38's and 5.13's might be a good winter project.

 

[Fargo]

Only way to order a 2021 with the 3.6L automatic is with the Etorque system on every wrangler model.

That is my understanding too, but mdkautzman just said he was able to order one without eTorque. I want to know more about what he ordered.

 

[Odyssey USA]

It’s been almost two years since I’ve seen anyone claim that eTorque stranded them. Seems ESS is still getting complaints of being stranded by dead batteries and they’re more difficult to jump start it seems. My battery under the hood only lasted 33k miles and 1.5 years. It definitely didn’t sit. It seems no conventional batteries are lasting as long as they once did.

Having just spent 3 weeks out west on highways and slow going trails with my 2.0 AND 3.6, my 2.0 ran a little rougher one day. We had just reached 10k get for the first time ever and I jumped out to hook up my pump to the battery to air up when I noticed. Trying to stab the throttle Italian tune style, it got worse so I shut it off, restarted, and it was fine. That’s the only hiccup I ever saw and suspect it was fuel trim related. Start stop was off the entire trip.

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