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Collapsing Lifters After Rebuild?

silvyZ31

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Howdy! Having a terrible time getting my the 3.6 in my 2018 JLU to behave and need some advice about what could be causing my repeated lifter issues.

Late last year, my 3.6L began to tick, slowly getting worse until earlier this year, I discovered that both intake cams were badly damaged from the classic Pentastar rocker arm failure. I found metal shavings a few millimeters long in the filter and the oil was full of glitter. Since it took months to get cams earlier this year and there was a ton of metal floating around this engine, I decided to have it rebuilt. The car only has 97k miles and I own it outright, so the logic was spend the 7k to have a fully paid off vehicle that I love for the next 5-7 years with a 7 yr/unlimited mile warranty on the engine.

I am regretting that decision. I worked with a large, well known engine shop in Denver to have it rebuilt,. While it did take four months, it did get done once cams started flowing from Mopar.

More importantly, since it was completed in August, I have had to return it for ticking twice and now I will be doing it a third time. 700 miles after the rebuild, I was told that's normal. A week later it's even louder and I drop it off to have lifters replaced. After the drivers side exhaust lifters were replaced it quieted down, but after 400 miles, it is back just like before. It's very difficult to record engine sound by phone, but you can hear the ticking from 1500RPM.

I would like to know if there is anything I should suggest they check. Particularly anything that may affect oil flow to the drivers side exhaust valvetrain. It is VERY strange to me that this would happen twice, so now I'm concerned there may be an underlying cause.

Thank you for whatever insight you might have! After 8 months, I just want this nightmare to be over.





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I'm following this thread, I'm right there with you, I replaced cams, rockers and lash adjusters and it ticks worse than it did before the repair. Mine was ticking on first startup after the repair and hasn't stopped yet.
 

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What actually causes the tick? Is it cams hitting lifters? I am not an engine expert so forgive the question if it is a basic one. I guess I just don’t understand how this is happening.
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A lot of people say it's the bearings in the rockers failing. My thought is it's the lash adjusters failing, allowing for lash between all the parts, allowing them to smack into each other and eventually wear out. If it's the bearings failing, the rocker can't pivot like it should and is adding more pressure than needed on the cam causing it to wear out.

Thats just my engineering point of view, im sure there will be people telling me I am wrong, so take it for what its qorth.
 

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I would question their cleaning of your engine before it was rebuilt.
 

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@silvyZ31 , I wouldn't think about a rebuild. Get another engine. You can get a very low mileage takeout engine through @RubiTrux website:
https://www.rubitrux.com/products/mopar-take-off-engine-wrangler-jl-gladiator-jt

Once your engine has glitter and shavings, it is a ticking time bomb. The small bits work their way into everything and cannot be flushed out. You have to replace too many bearings, and you still don't know where the bits and pieces are hiding, just waiting to be dislodged.
 
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The engine has already been torn down, looked over by a machine shop, and reassembled with new pistons, rods, cams, oil pump, all valve-train components and all bearings. I’m really just looking for advice on what might be causing ongoing issues with lash adjusters.

As Guv said, I’m starting to suspect there is debris or something gumming up oiling passages near the drivers side exhaust lash adjusters. If anyone else has any ideas, I’m all ears.

The machine shop has agreed this is likely and it’s going back in after the holidays. I am mostly concerned about damage to the new camshaft, though there has been absolutely no metal visible nor detected in oil analysis, other than normal levels for break-in.

I’ll update here once we’ve figured out what happened. I hate it when people ask about problems with engines but never post the solution!
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