Ask-A-Jeep-Dealer Thread

[DanW]

If it is a Rubicon, the Alpine is included in the Infotainment package.

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[kurt13]

And last time we checked, the configurator price for the Infotainment System was $1295 when it is actually $1495 in the dealers' system.

 

[ThirtyOne]

I ordered my JLUR yesterday.....happy with the price and all. My question is.....when I sat there with the dealer and ordered the upgraded 8.4 screen and all, I was under the impression that the Alpine Speakers came with the $1,485 package. When he clicked on the upgrade, the 'factory ordering program' automatically added the Alpine Speakers at $1,295. He said he couldn't order the Infotainment group with out adding the additional Alpine Speakers at the additional cost. I called him on this, he checked with someone else and said that's what comes up.
When I built my Jeep on the Jeep.com website and clicked the 'info system', it automatically included the Alpine Speakers as part of the package.
No extra charge. When I checked a window sticker on incoming Rubi's it showed the Speakers as part of the 'Info' system and no extra charge.
I sent him all this info and waiting for his response. On the order contract I agreed to it shows the price of the 'Info' system and the added price of the Alpine Speakers at $1,295.....quite an upgrade....who's right?
btw, the dealer is a friend and I've bought 3 other Jeeps from him, he is a good guy and honest....I think misinformed....Maybe???

Check the math on the order form. I think someone else had an order that looked the same way but when they added it up the total did not double-charge for the Alpine. I can't remember which thread it was on or I would look it up.

 

[CantThinkOfAHandle]

I'm with DanW. I think people are making WAY too big a deal over this. I saw ONE review (think it was either Road & Track or Motor Trend, neither are high on my list) that was critical of the *clutch* (not the tranny). This was on a pre-production unit that had been used (and probably abused) by who knows how many other drivers before that. I inhaled all of the reviews as they came out and while it's quite possible I missed some but I don't recall anyone being critical of the manual transmission. Those that did discuss it typically gave it good reviews.

There were a number of reviews that specifically called out the MT for criticism. They were not limited to one vehicle. Some of the drivers who were having problems with the clutch write for off road magazines. All of them are professional drivers who are paid to know when they are behind the wheel of a race car or a truck. Hell, one reviewer (in Jalopnik, I believe) said he preferred the old JK stick because it was clunkier!

The early reviews suggest that anyone who was OK with the JK MT will be pleased with the manual in the JL. Anyone who is on the fence should wait for in-depth reviews of production models. In this forum, there's no need, or sense, to try to discount the information we have so far, just because you don't like what it says.

 

[CantThinkOfAHandle]

Check the math on the order form. I think someone else had an order that looked the same way but when they added it up the total did not double-charge for the Alpine. I can't remember which thread it was on or I would look it up.

Correct, there were at least two quotes shown here that listed the Alpine as a charge, but the amount did not figure in the total.

 

[JLWF Dealer Guy]

I ordered my JLUR yesterday.....happy with the price and all. My question is.....when I sat there with the dealer and ordered the upgraded 8.4 screen and all, I was under the impression that the Alpine Speakers came with the $1,485 package. When he clicked on the upgrade, the 'factory ordering program' automatically added the Alpine Speakers at $1,295. He said he couldn't order the Infotainment group with out adding the additional Alpine Speakers at the additional cost. I called him on this, he checked with someone else and said that's what comes up.
When I built my Jeep on the Jeep.com website and clicked the 'info system', it automatically included the Alpine Speakers as part of the package.
No extra charge. When I checked a window sticker on incoming Rubi's it showed the Speakers as part of the 'Info' system and no extra charge.
I sent him all this info and waiting for his response. On the order contract I agreed to it shows the price of the 'Info' system and the added price of the Alpine Speakers at $1,295.....quite an upgrade....who's right?
btw, the dealer is a friend and I've bought 3 other Jeeps from him, he is a good guy and honest....I think misinformed....Maybe???

Infotainment group is $1495, comes with the Alpine speaker system. If you initially chose the Alpine group for $1295, then clicked on the Infotainment group, it shows for $1495, it would look like you got charged twice. When the POC is printed, it will $0 zero out the Alpine cost. Sounds just like an inexperienced person inputing the order. Maybe he is a previous Jeep rep. = Muppet.

Edit, saw you said he is your friend. Still could have worked for FCA in the past. No offense meant.

 

[JLWF Dealer Guy]

Guys, I wouldn't get to sweatty about the manuals. The issue was in the clutch feel. That is nothing more than an adjustment. There is adjustability built into them. Aisin makes transmissions for Toyota and many others, and has been around a LONG time. Heck, Toyota owns over 50% of Aisin. Most of the rest of the world runs their Toyotas with manual transmissions. This company didn't suddenly forget how to make and adjust a manual. All this stuff is based on the feedback from a couple of journalists who are not experts at driving manual transmissions, and they only drove ONE JL Rubi in New Zealand that was a preproduction vehicle. Another journalist asked a Jeep engineer about it and claims he was told they have an easy fix. Why do we assume the fix is more than an adjustment? I saw several journalists who drove manual preproduction Jeeps in the US that said the manual was great.

I'll admit, I wondered about it too, but I've decided to consider the known facts and use a little logic. Besides, even before the fix or adjustment, I'd bet this clutch will be way ahead of the NSG370 in the JK. I've heard journalists rip the snot out of the JK's manual transmission, from the clutch to its balls (bearings). I think it feels and shifts just fine, and I've got 120,000 miles of experience with it. These snowflakes want 20 speed automatics and they can't think too well for themselves. Jeep was running manual test mules around nearly a year ago, racking up many, many, many test miles. Who knows how much testing Aisin has done. I've had people drive my Jeep and blame the clutch for their inabillity to move without stalling. That's a laugher to me, but it is true. There are auto journalists that avoid manual transmissions because they cannot drive them well.

If a manual transmission shows up on a dealer lot in the next couple weeks, then I'd say our speculation of a problem or delay was wrong. That little of a difference would be due more to sequencing than a delay. The JK's launch was similar. My JK was ordered in February of 07 and showed up in the following September. Why? Not a problem with the manual, but sequencing and higher than expected demand.

I'm only antsy because I want my toy. If it shows up in a month, I'll still be thrilled, and I'm not losing any sleep over Jeep or Aisin's ability to build an outstanding manual transmission with a clutch that has good feel.

Just relax and dream of rowing those gears on a twisty mountain road or trail! That beats the hell out of worrying about things we really know nothing about.

By the way, if mine does suck or have problems, I'll tell you very quickly. I'm betting I'll be telling you how glad I am to have chosen it. We'll see soon! I think mine has been built for two or three weeks now. Maybe longer, and is just waiting to hitch a ride to Indy.

Sorry for the rant, but we need to take a breath and get some perspective.

Btw, @JLWFDealerGuy does the window sticker tell the actual production date? If so, the first manual that gets delivered will tell the story. Heck, an auto might even tell the story, especially if it was built in October and just now delivered.

All very true. For anyone who has ever driven the current JK manual. It is a clutch like no other one in the market on any vehicle. It's not a stiff, short connection like a sports car. It is not comparing the same thing. It's long and soft. You can engage in 1st without hitting the gas on flat land. Try that with your sportscar and see if it works. These guys just drive a ton of different manuals and most likely never drove a Wrangler Manual before since it has already been "reviewed, years ago when it came out. hurrumph!! millennials...

 

[DanW]

There were a number of reviews that specifically called out the MT for criticism. They were not limited to one vehicle. Some of the drivers who were having problems with the clutch write for off road magazines. All of them are professional drivers who are paid to know when they are behind the wheel of a race car or a truck. Hell, one reviewer (in Jalopnik, I believe) said he preferred the old JK stick because it was clunkier!

The early reviews suggest that anyone who was OK with the JK MT will be pleased with the manual in the JL. Anyone who is on the fence should wait for in-depth reviews of production models. In this forum, there's no need, or sense, to try to discount the information we have so far, just because you don't like what it says.

A number? I counted two. Post links please.

 

[HRP]

Thank you all for the reply's on a possible double charge on the Alpine Speakers. It was as you all said. If you do the math, although it's listed as a $1,295 charge, it doesn't add to the total. After he put the order in the Alpine Speakers disappeared on the invoice. So it was definitely included in the Info Sys Package. Thank you all again for the correct info....that's why I like 'forums'.... you can get a problem solved.
And my dealer was on top and sent me the price list from the factory showing me that the additional charge disappeared...but the price I got stayed the same......H

 

[Jeep4Life]

I need some help. I live in NC within driving range of Koon's Jeep. I emailed them today about the 5% below invoice and Craig was very prompt and straight forward. So I thought I would ask my area dealer who wants to put me in a Sahara instead of the Rubicon I want, if he could match the deal Koon's offered me. So now hes saying the Koon's offer cannot be true, etc etc...they wouldn't lose money when other dealerships are getting MSRP for their Jeeps. So now I don't know what to do. He hasnt offered to match, but did tell me he would accept the Tread Lightly Affiliate discount. I have never been good at negotiating, but I dont want to be taken to the cleaners either. I really, really HATE dealing with salesmen and financial people. So what should I do? Oh and to make things more complicated..I am in a time crunch...my current lease is up March 18th. Any advice will be helpful. Thanks!

 

[ThirtyOne]

I need some help. I live in NC within driving range of Koon's Jeep. I emailed them today about the 5% below invoice and Craig was very prompt and straight forward. So I thought I would ask my area dealer who wants to put me in a Sahara instead of the Rubicon I want, if he could match the deal Koon's offered me. So now hes saying the Koon's offer cannot be true, etc etc...they wouldn't lose money when other dealerships are getting MSRP for their Jeeps. So now I don't know what to do. He hasnt offered to match, but did tell me he would accept the Tread Lightly Affiliate discount. I have never been good at negotiating, but I dont want to be taken to the cleaners either. I really, really HATE dealing with salesmen and financial people. So what should I do? Oh and to make things more complicated..I am in a time crunch...my current lease is up March 18th. Any advice will be helpful. Thanks!

First of all 1% below invoice is a great price on a new Jeep. These forums are starting to make people think that if you don't get 5% below invoice you are an idiot and that just isn't true. Your dealer has no reason to sell Jeeps with little margin when he has people who will buy the same Jeep for more.

The thing that concerns me more is that he is trying to get you into a different Jeep than the one you want. You may regret that. There are tons of Jeep dealers in NC. You have plenty of time if you are willing to buy off the lot. Tread Lightly is the max. Koons is the floor. Keep looking for something in between.

 

[macintux]

Seems like the safest answer is to shop the Koons offer around to other area dealerships and go with Koons if you need to. No reason to pay thousands more than you need to.

 

[TPFilm1994]

I need some help. I live in NC within driving range of Koon's Jeep. I emailed them today about the 5% below invoice and Craig was very prompt and straight forward. So I thought I would ask my area dealer who wants to put me in a Sahara instead of the Rubicon I want, if he could match the deal Koon's offered me. So now hes saying the Koon's offer cannot be true, etc etc...they wouldn't lose money when other dealerships are getting MSRP for their Jeeps. So now I don't know what to do. He hasnt offered to match, but did tell me he would accept the Tread Lightly Affiliate discount. I have never been good at negotiating, but I dont want to be taken to the cleaners either. I really, really HATE dealing with salesmen and financial people. So what should I do? Oh and to make things more complicated..I am in a time crunch...my current lease is up March 18th. Any advice will be helpful. Thanks!

So I won’t get in trouble, I won’t mention the name, but check with the Jeep dealer in Wilmington, NC. They won’t match the Koons deal, but also won’t try to put you into something you don’t want.
Before I made up my mind on a JLU I spent two weeks working with Adam at the unnamed dealership trying to find a JKU I wanted. He was very helpful and very patient. Even helped me arrange financing to buy out the lease on my ‘15 JKU with 3 months no payments as my JKU should be in by February (fingers crossed.)
They will take the Tread Lightly deal on a JLU. Plus, you won’t have to deal with making sure you paid the correct sales tax. Then there’s not having to drive to VA (of course that last bit depends on what part of NC you are in. If NE or Eastern NC, Koons may be closer.

 

[Matthew/E36]

I need some help. I live in NC within driving range of Koon's Jeep. I emailed them today about the 5% below invoice and Craig was very prompt and straight forward. So I thought I would ask my area dealer who wants to put me in a Sahara instead of the Rubicon I want, if he could match the deal Koon's offered me. So now hes saying the Koon's offer cannot be true, etc etc...they wouldn't lose money when other dealerships are getting MSRP for their Jeeps. So now I don't know what to do. He hasnt offered to match, but did tell me he would accept the Tread Lightly Affiliate discount. I have never been good at negotiating, but I dont want to be taken to the cleaners either. I really, really HATE dealing with salesmen and financial people. So what should I do? Oh and to make things more complicated..I am in a time crunch...my current lease is up March 18th. Any advice will be helpful. Thanks!

IDK man, a dealer is saying another dealer is "losing money" and can't do the deal they published...so you should just pay him more and by the way we have this other one you should get instead?

Personally I would just move on.

 

[Nate]

Check the math on the order form. I think someone else had an order that looked the same way but when they added it up the total did not double-charge for the Alpine. I can't remember which thread it was on or I would look it up.

That was my quote I posted, it’s not double charged. It automatically adjust at the bottom. Just an ordering system glitch.

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