Ask-A-Jeep-Dealer Thread

[ssiegler]

Good info. Its not like that in the order guide or the configurator. Not a bad option though.

But - does it get you all-terrain tires like some are claiming?

I put my order in for a manual transmission Sahara just before Christmas. I was required to get the anti-spin. It does come with all terrain tires at no cost

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[TPFilm1994]

Interesting. Put my order in Nov 16. Build sheet doesn’t show LSD and dealer hasn’t mentioned any required changes. Not in D1 yet (JLU Sport S, soft top, 6spd, firecracker Red) so... Woukd be great if I get the upgrades for “free.”

 

[2018JLPLEASE]

JLWF Dealer Guy,

I am speaking with my longtime friend and auto-broker and he is telling me that, although I can place my order now for a JLU Rubicon, the new body style is not available until late February which will make delivery happen sometime in early May. I see a lot of people saying they have JLU orders in and in building status... so are these the old body style or is my guy mis-informed?

Thank you for the advice.

 

[ThirtyOne]

JLWF Dealer Guy,

I am speaking with my longtime friend and auto-broker and he is telling me that, although I can place my order now for a JLU Rubicon, the new body style is not available until late February which will make delivery happen sometime in early May. I see a lot of people saying they have JLU orders in and in building status... so are these the old body style or is my guy mis-informed?

Thank you for the advice.

Interesting considering there are already new-body Wranglers on lots!

 

[snelldogg]

Interesting considering there are already new-body Wranglers on lots!

Yes but from my understanding no manuals as of yet.

 

[macintux]

Yes but from my understanding no manuals as of yet.

None that I've heard of, but ordering them is still possible.

 

[JLWF Dealer Guy]

JLWF Dealer Guy,

I am speaking with my longtime friend and auto-broker and he is telling me that, although I can place my order now for a JLU Rubicon, the new body style is not available until late February which will make delivery happen sometime in early May. I see a lot of people saying they have JLU orders in and in building status... so are these the old body style or is my guy mis-informed?

Thank you for the advice.

Your guy is misinformed. Ordering began in October. They new body styles are hitting lots as we speak.

 

[Doug]

JLWF Dealer Guy, is there any way to check with your jeep sales rep to see when the trail rail management system will be available to order, or if it can be added down the road through mopar accessories? It’s the only thing holding me back from placing the order. I don’t mind adding it later if it doesn’t require all new trim pieces making it cost prohibitive. Also, if I order a rubicon 6sp how long of a delay before I receive it due to the kinks they are working out? I don’t want to rush my order if it’s just going to sit in queue anyways or receive a wrangler that will give me transmission problems and recalls.

 

[JLWF Dealer Guy]

JLWF Dealer Guy, is there any way to check with your jeep sales rep to see when the trail rail management system will be available to order, or if it can be added down the road through mopar accessories? It’s the only thing holding me back from placing the order. I don’t mind adding it later if it doesn’t require all new trim pieces making it cost prohibitive. Also, if I order a rubicon 6sp how long of a delay before I receive it due to the kinks they are working out? I don’t want to rush my order if it’s just going to sit in queue anyways or receive a wrangler that will give me transmission problems and recalls.

Unfortunately the sales reps are muppets. They no absolutely nothing. Mine told me I'd be lucky if I saw one before Valentines day. Then I showed him the several I have in transit that should be here in a week or two. Absolute muppets.

 

[wanderer]

JLWF Dealer guy thanks for all your input. One dealer I contacted says late availability is 3rd quarter of 2018 like August - September. Is that right because it seem like that is the about time you could order a 2019?
Does anyone have any idea of what/ when the manuals will be ready ?
The manual and a tan premium sprt top are all that is holding me from placing an order.

 

[DanW]

Guys, I wouldn't get to sweatty about the manuals. The issue was in the clutch feel. That is nothing more than an adjustment. There is adjustability built into them. Aisin makes transmissions for Toyota and many others, and has been around a LONG time. Heck, Toyota owns over 50% of Aisin. Most of the rest of the world runs their Toyotas with manual transmissions. This company didn't suddenly forget how to make and adjust a manual. All this stuff is based on the feedback from a couple of journalists who are not experts at driving manual transmissions, and they only drove ONE JL Rubi in New Zealand that was a preproduction vehicle. Another journalist asked a Jeep engineer about it and claims he was told they have an easy fix. Why do we assume the fix is more than an adjustment? I saw several journalists who drove manual preproduction Jeeps in the US that said the manual was great.

I'll admit, I wondered about it too, but I've decided to consider the known facts and use a little logic. Besides, even before the fix or adjustment, I'd bet this clutch will be way ahead of the NSG370 in the JK. I've heard journalists rip the snot out of the JK's manual transmission, from the clutch to its balls (bearings). I think it feels and shifts just fine, and I've got 120,000 miles of experience with it. These snowflakes want 20 speed automatics and they can't think too well for themselves. Jeep was running manual test mules around nearly a year ago, racking up many, many, many test miles. Who knows how much testing Aisin has done. I've had people drive my Jeep and blame the clutch for their inabillity to move without stalling. That's a laugher to me, but it is true. There are auto journalists that avoid manual transmissions because they cannot drive them well.

If a manual transmission shows up on a dealer lot in the next couple weeks, then I'd say our speculation of a problem or delay was wrong. That little of a difference would be due more to sequencing than a delay. The JK's launch was similar. My JK was ordered in February of 07 and showed up in the following September. Why? Not a problem with the manual, but sequencing and higher than expected demand.

I'm only antsy because I want my toy. If it shows up in a month, I'll still be thrilled, and I'm not losing any sleep over Jeep or Aisin's ability to build an outstanding manual transmission with a clutch that has good feel.

Just relax and dream of rowing those gears on a twisty mountain road or trail! That beats the hell out of worrying about things we really know nothing about.

By the way, if mine does suck or have problems, I'll tell you very quickly. I'm betting I'll be telling you how glad I am to have chosen it. We'll see soon! I think mine has been built for two or three weeks now. Maybe longer, and is just waiting to hitch a ride to Indy.

Sorry for the rant, but we need to take a breath and get some perspective.

Btw, @JLWFDealerGuy does the window sticker tell the actual production date? If so, the first manual that gets delivered will tell the story. Heck, an auto might even tell the story, especially if it was built in October and just now delivered.

 

[JLWF Dealer Guy]

Guys, I wouldn't get to sweatty about the manuals. The issue was in the clutch feel. That is nothing more than an adjustment. There is adjustability built into them. Aisin makes transmissions for Toyota and many others, and has been around a LONG time. Heck, Toyota owns over 50% of Aisin. Most of the rest of the world runs their Toyotas with manual transmissions. This company didn't suddenly forget how to make and adjust a manual. All this stuff is based on the feedback from a couple of journalists who are not experts at driving manual transmissions, and they only drove ONE JL Rubi in New Zealand that was a preproduction vehicle. Another journalist asked a Jeep engineer about it and claims he was told they have an easy fix. Why do we assume the fix is more than an adjustment? I saw several journalists who drove manual preproduction Jeeps in the US that said the manual was great.

I'll admit, I wondered about it too, but I've decided to consider the known facts and use a little logic. Besides, even before the fix or adjustment, I'd bet this clutch will be way ahead of the NSG370 in the JK. I've heard journalists rip the snot out of the JK's manual transmission, from the clutch to its balls (bearings). I think it feels and shifts just fine, and I've got 120,000 miles of experience with it. These snowflakes want 20 speed automatics and they can't think too well for themselves. Jeep was running manual test mules around nearly a year ago, racking up many, many, many test miles. Who knows how much testing Aisin has done. I've had people drive my Jeep and blame the clutch for their inabillity to move without stalling. That's a laugher to me, but it is true. There are auto journalists that avoid manual transmissions because they cannot drive them well.

If a manual transmission shows up on a dealer lot in the next couple weeks, then I'd say our speculation of a problem or delay was wrong. That little of a difference would be due more to sequencing than a delay. The JK's launch was similar. My JK was ordered in February of 07 and showed up in the following September. Why? Not a problem with the manual, but sequencing and higher than expected demand.

I'm only antsy because I want my toy. If it shows up in a month, I'll still be thrilled, and I'm not losing any sleep over Jeep or Aisin's ability to build an outstanding manual transmission with a clutch that has good feel.

Just relax and dream of rowing those gears on a twisty mountain road or trail! That beats the hell out of worrying about things we really know nothing about.

By the way, if mine does suck or have problems, I'll tell you very quickly. I'm betting I'll be telling you how glad I am to have chosen it. We'll see soon! I think mine has been built for two or three weeks now. Maybe longer, and is just waiting to hitch a ride to Indy.

Sorry for the rant, but we need to take a breath and get some perspective.

Btw, @JLWFDealerGuy does the window sticker tell the actual production date? If so, the first manual that gets delivered will tell the story. Heck, an auto might even tell the story, especially if it was built in October and just now delivered.

It won't show the actual production date. But will have your name on it!

 

[wanderer]

These snowflakes want 20 speed automatics and they can't think too well for themselves. Jeep was running manual test mules around nearly a year ago, racking up many, many, many test miles.

that got me laughing.

I'm only antsy because I want my toy.

yep me too. I am just impatient I want it now! and the dam tan premium soft top. too

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

I'm with DanW. I think people are making WAY too big a deal over this. I saw ONE review (think it was either Road & Track or Motor Trend, neither are high on my list) that was critical of the *clutch* (not the tranny). This was on a pre-production unit that had been used (and probably abused) by who knows how many other drivers before that. I inhaled all of the reviews as they came out and while it's quite possible I missed some but I don't recall anyone being critical of the manual transmission. Those that did discuss it typically gave it good reviews.

 

[HRP]

I ordered my JLUR yesterday.....happy with the price and all. My question is.....when I sat there with the dealer and ordered the upgraded 8.4 screen and all, I was under the impression that the Alpine Speakers came with the $1,485 package. When he clicked on the upgrade, the 'factory ordering program' automatically added the Alpine Speakers at $1,295. He said he couldn't order the Infotainment group with out adding the additional Alpine Speakers at the additional cost. I called him on this, he checked with someone else and said that's what comes up.
When I built my Jeep on the Jeep.com website and clicked the 'info system', it automatically included the Alpine Speakers as part of the package.
No extra charge. When I checked a window sticker on incoming Rubi's it showed the Speakers as part of the 'Info' system and no extra charge.
I sent him all this info and waiting for his response. On the order contract I agreed to it shows the price of the 'Info' system and the added price of the Alpine Speakers at $1,295.....quite an upgrade....who's right?
btw, the dealer is a friend and I've bought 3 other Jeeps from him, he is a good guy and honest....I think misinformed....Maybe???

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