All Electric Wrangler - Interesting Read

[XYJGuy]

The wonders of marketing ? trying to appease to the most die hard fans. When was the last time a two door manual came out in a Jeep Wrangler promotion?

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[agpr2016]

2 door JL all electic Jeep. MSRP $77,000

They want to electrify the automobile industry yet raise prices to the point where they wouldn't be accessible to the average consumer...

At some point there needs to be a balance...I'm hopeful...something is going to cap prices...they cannot price themselves out of the market when they have to compete with other brands.

Maybe the balance will be reflected in higher factory order discounts while they stick it to those who simply don't know or would dare order from factory...

 

[XYJGuy]

They want to electrify the automobile industry yet raise prices to the point where they wouldn't be accessible to the average consumer...

At some point there needs to be a balance...I'm hopeful...something is going to cap prices...they cannot price themselves out of the market when they have to compete with other brands.

Maybe the balance will be reflected in higher factory order discounts while they stick it to those who simply don't know or would dare order from factory...

It sucks but what they are finding out is people pay the price. When people stop paying, the prices will come down. Car companies support this by providing outrageously long loans. The only regulation that could help is if Government capped loan durations as a consumer protection act. Look at the cost of college; it blew up when people could borrow money from the federal government. Its supply and demand and the demand is kept high by suckering people in to ridiculous loans.

 

[agpr2016]

It sucks but what they are finding out is people pay the price. When people stop paying, the prices will come down. Car companies support this by providing outrageously long loans. The only regulation that could help is if Government capped loan durations as a consumer protection act. Look at the cost of college; it blew up when people could borrow money from the federal government. Its supply and demand and the demand is kept high by suckering people in to ridiculous loans.

I agree with what you said. On a side note...with culture in general, I think people are stuck in the past since they were happier times and I mean that from a consumer perspective as well. Jeep is practically living off of its name rather than the quality it use to offer. People including myself want a Jeep because it's a Jeep...but the reality is that it's really not worth what they are charging in my opinion and my opinion only.

Soon the entry level Jeep price will be high enough to be on par with entry level luxury car price...

I love sports cars but I live on a mountain in the jungle. Kind of need a 4 by 4.

 

[XYJGuy]

I agree with what you said. On a side note...with culture in general, I think people are stuck in the past since they were happier times and I mean that from a consumer perspective as well. Jeep is practically living off of its name rather than the quality it use to offer. People including myself want a Jeep because it's a Jeep...but the reality is that it's really not worth what they are charging in my opinion and my opinion only.

Soon the entry level Jeep price will be high enough to be on par with entry level luxury car price...

I love sports cars but I live on a mountain in the jungle. Kind of need a 4 by 4.

I agree. Jeeps are sold on personality and the fact that they also double as a toy recrestional vehicle. IMHO in SUV relative value alone, the 2 door sport s should be around 30-32k. 4 door Rubicon $42-45k. Not 65K+. Again, just my opinion. But I love my JL ?‍. Got a great (relatively speaking) deal on mine from Rob Trachman at Tuttle click in Irvine, Ca.

 

[agpr2016]

I agree. Jeeps are sold on personality and the fact that they also double as a toy recrestional vehicle. IMHO in SUV relative value alone, the 2 door sport s should be around 30-32k. 4 door Rubicon $42-45k. Not 65K+. Again, just my opinion. But I love my JL ?‍. Got a great (relatively speaking) deal on mine from Rob Trachman at Tuttle click in Irvine, Ca.

My max is 50k for a two door. I think I will go willys. I would still have to ship it to PR which shipping fees plus import tax in total for a two door would be around 15-18k.

It's wild. But here on the island...they are asking 20k over msrp for any Jeep. It's better to get it from the factory at a good discount and then ship if you are willing to go through the process...

 

[azjl#3]

I've become an EV guy and thought I'd take a stab at some of these comments. I own a Rivian (which is a damn good off roader) and a pure ICE Wrangler Rubicon on 37s (which I love!)


Here's the thing, you do you and enjoy it. Anyone taking smack about EVs over ICE should shut it for now. They both have their positives and negatives. That said, ALL of your requirements are going to be met within the next few years. The reason I own a Rivian is because the tech got to the point that it fit my needs. I used to call EVs a pipe dream and they were, at the time. But, technology got better, VASTLY better. Toyota isn't talking smack when they say they'll be selling a 700mile range EV with 10 minutes charging by 2027. Solid State Batteries are the next big leap and they'll change everything. Batteries will get smaller, lighter, and able to charge in very short periods of time. Even with current tech, we've already got Rivians with over 400 miles of range and Lucids with 500 miles. The real problem with those is the pricing but that's coming down too.


Honestly, it's a gimmick and it's kinda dumb. Electrics don't need transmissions at all because they deliver 100% of their torque the second you press the accelerator. That's why even lower powered EVs have such good acceleration. Even a cheap Bolt EV can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds. My Rivian can do it in 3. IMO, a production Wrangler is either going to have a motor integrated solid axle (Manga already builds one) or they're going to connect a motor directly to the transfer case.


My Rivian can do 320miles on a single charge. The Max Battery version just came out can can get over 400 miles. The upcoming Silverado EV can do 450. That's nothing compared to what's coming when Solid States hit the market. Toyota is expecting their solid state EV in 2027 with 700 miles of range and charging in as little as 10 minutes. For now, stick with what works for you (and you can afford) but the tech is gonna be there sooner than you think.



THIS TIMES A BILLION. You hit the exact words I've used on this. There is definitely a visceral connection between the driver and the car that is missing when you don't hear and feel. the roar of a V8. I will give credit to Dodge for trying to tackle this but they haven't quite nailed it.

But I will say, the same could have been said about riding horses or carriages when the ICE vehicles first hit. The connection between animal and rider was lost but a lot was gained. The same applies here. We gain A LOT in performance. Go drive a Tesla Model 3 performance, Ford Mach-E GT, or a Rivian quad motor. It's the closest thing you'll experience to being launched off an aircraft carrier. The acceleration is mind bending. These vehicles can also carve curves exceptionally well. Then there is braking. Regenerative braking enables one foot driving. I have to drive up and down mountains all the time but I rarely touch my Rivian's brake pedal. Even when going down 7-9% grades.

All great ideas, until the grid fails.

I am not seeing any attempt to fix the failures now, let alone build for anything above 5% EV in the future to 2035. Nothing is funded or engineered. Windfarm's and solar projects are financial failures.

Grid fails with an ICE, you can at least drive until you run out of gas.

You mention crazy accel... So why not just OK accel, and get more miles per charge? Use less off the grid? EV's right now sound like the 70's big block motor days. Because gas was cheap, until it wasn't.

All this said, my last vehicle will most likely be an EV bmw 5 series, sometime around 2030 plus.

 

[smokeythecat]

They want to electrify the automobile industry yet raise prices to the point where they wouldn't be accessible to the average consumer...

This is how ALL new high tech starts out. It is expensive for the early adopters and eventually economies of scale kick in. People who are expecting EVs to be perfect right out of the gate haven't been paying attention to how adoption of a new technology has worked in the past. Remember $400 four-function calculators? I do.

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