2024 Wrangler Unlimited With TWO engine replacements

[anomaly]

Hello. This is an astonishing forum. I too have a 2024 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 2.0 Turbo. At 12k miles the vehicle seized and a new motor had to be installed. Jeep Representative refused to offer any replacement or buyback option. At 16k miles (3 months later), the check engine light pops up. We have it towed to the dealership and GUESS WHAT? That engine needs to replaced too. This will be our third motor in 16k miles. Once again, Jeep refuses to offer any replacement or buyback option.

We filed an arbitration hearing on the first engine replacement arguing that the safety and value of the vehicle Is affected and should be replaced. The arbitrator ruled in favor of Jeep. We are filing a second arbitration hearing for later this month. I was warned by the dealership though that Chrysler will ignore you unless you hire a lawyer. We’ve learned this first hand. They literally ignore any request in hopes you will go away. It’s comical really!

Has anyone else had this experience or does anyone have any suggestions? The lawyers we’ve spoken to are all pretty reluctant because the Colorado Lemon Law protects manufacturers pretty well. We’re on our third motor though so at what point does common sense take over. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks,
Kurt

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[Da Capt]

Hello. This is an astonishing forum. I too have a 2024 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 2.0 Turbo. At 12k miles the vehicle seized and a new motor had to be installed. Jeep Representative refused to offer any replacement or buyback option. At 16k miles (3 months later), the check engine light pops up. We have it towed to the dealership and GUESS WHAT? That engine needs to replaced too. This will be our third motor in 16k miles. Once again, Jeep refuses to offer any replacement or buyback option.

We filed an arbitration hearing on the first engine replacement arguing that the safety and value of the vehicle Is affected and should be replaced. The arbitrator ruled in favor of Jeep. We are filing a second arbitration hearing for later this month. I was warned by the dealership though that Chrysler will ignore you unless you hire a lawyer. We’ve learned this first hand. They literally ignore any request in hopes you will go away. It’s comical really!

Has anyone else had this experience or does anyone have any suggestions? The lawyers we’ve spoken to are all pretty reluctant because the Colorado Lemon Law protects manufacturers pretty well. We’re on our third motor though so at what point does common sense take over. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks,
Kurt

I thought the third time for same issue they have to buy it back according to the lemon law or is that just urban legend with the 3 times rule?

 

[KCSgtMaj]

Have them keep putting engines it. It’s not a problem with the vehicle as a whole unit, it’s a problem with the engine it seems, or maybe operator error? (Sarcasm). I would want them to tell you why the engine failed, twice!

 

[Ratbert]

Have you done any mods to it? Just asking since there was a guy a while back with multiple failures who said he'd done no engine mods, but it turned out he had added an oil catch can that we're fairly confident was the root cause.

 

[Ol’ Timey Manual SWB Guy]

If you had, say, a late 1960’s Cadillac, there’s a sporting chance that the block would last forever - our old perception being that it’s “the beating heart of the car.” But in a lot of modern vehicles, the engine has become just another field-replacable unit (FRU). They do get replaced, especially European ones.

So yours failed, and they gave you a whole new engine. You’ve suffered no financial loss. Even twice.

Yeah, it’s annoying. Yeah, it’s a waste of time. Yeah, your faith is shaken.

My understanding (perhaps wrong) is that Lemon Laws usually attach when the OEM’s designated facility tries repeatedly to fix an issue with a given vehicle (i.e., with just one VIN), yet they simply cannot find the resolution for that one vehicle. - for example, when electrical gremlins occur that prevent starting, perhaps due to a bad wire loom. When it’s simply, for want of a better word, “haunted.”

Unfortunately, your situation seems different. They did find the problem so they did replace the whole FRU. And now it’s shiny and new..

Yet, you’re saying you don’t trust the entire model, the entire design, as implemented worldwide.

Okay, sure. Your feelings are valid. But that’d be a class action scenario, not a discrete Lemon Law event. You’ve already been made whole. Your VIN sits in your driveway today with a new engine.

IMHO, the best you’ll get here is a serious dealio on a CPO type warranty, maybe even at wholesale or free.

Arbitrators are Solomonic… at best. They won’t fix a “faith and trust” problem. A warranty might.

 

[anomaly]

I thought the third time for same issue they have to buy it back according to the lemon law or is that just urban legend with the 3 times rule?

Thanks for the message. Colorado Lemon Law is pretty loose. Basically there needs to be four attempts to fix or the vehicle has to be down for 30 days or more. And it expires one year after purchase. The first replacement would have qualified but the vehicle was gone exactly 30 days so we didn’t bother.

 

[anomaly]

Have them keep putting engines it. It’s not a problem with the vehicle as a whole unit, it’s a problem with the engine it seems, or maybe operator error? (Sarcasm). I would want them to tell you why the engine failed, twice!

Yeah they are as confused as to why it failed twice as we are. The new engine is identical to the last one they put in. Zero changes or improvements. Yet they assure me it won’t happen again? Why? It’s the same engine. Ha

 

[anomaly]

Have you done any mods to it? Just asking since there was a guy a while back with multiple failures who said he'd done no engine mods, but it turned out he had added an oil catch can that we're fairly confident was the root cause.

Thanks for the message. Zero mods. Completely stock sport model

 

[anomaly]

If you had, say, a late 1960’s Cadillac, there’s a sporting chance that the block would last forever - our old perception being that it’s “the beating heart of the car.” But in a lot of modern vehicles, the engine has become just another field-replacable unit (FRU). They do get replaced, especially European ones.

So yours failed, and they gave you a whole new engine. You’ve suffered no financial loss. Even twice.

Yeah, it’s annoying. Yeah, it’s a waste of time. Yeah, your faith is shaken.

My understanding (perhaps wrong) is that Lemon Laws usually attach when the OEM’s designated facility tries repeatedly to fix an issue with a given vehicle (i.e., with just one VIN), yet they simply cannot find the resolution for that one vehicle. - for example, when electrical gremlins occur that prevent starting, perhaps due to a bad wire loom. When it’s simply, for want of a better word, “haunted.”

Unfortunately, your situation seems different. They did find the problem so they did replace the whole FRU. And now it’s shiny and new..

Yet, you’re saying you don’t trust the entire model, the entire design, as implemented worldwide.

Okay, sure. Your feelings are valid. But that’d be a class action scenario, not a discrete Lemon Law event. You’ve already been made whole. Your VIN sits in your driveway today with a new engine.

IMHO, the best you’ll get here is a serious dealio on a CPO type warranty, maybe even at wholesale or free.

Arbitrators are Solomonic… at best. They won’t fix a “faith and trust” problem. A warranty might.

Thanks for the message. I agree with you. Arbitration is a joke. We’ve owned Jeeps for over 35 years and will continue, but yes, our faith is a little shaken with this one. Just curious if anyone else has experienced this and what we do in the event it just keeps failing. Not sure why it wouldn’t when this third engine is identical to the other two. No change or modifications. Anyway appreciate the message. Cheers

 

[Jsmeltz]

Hello. This is an astonishing forum. I too have a 2024 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 2.0 Turbo. At 12k miles the vehicle seized and a new motor had to be installed. Jeep Representative refused to offer any replacement or buyback option. At 16k miles (3 months later), the check engine light pops up. We have it towed to the dealership and GUESS WHAT? That engine needs to replaced too. This will be our third motor in 16k miles. Once again, Jeep refuses to offer any replacement or buyback option.

We filed an arbitration hearing on the first engine replacement arguing that the safety and value of the vehicle Is affected and should be replaced. The arbitrator ruled in favor of Jeep. We are filing a second arbitration hearing for later this month. I was warned by the dealership though that Chrysler will ignore you unless you hire a lawyer. We’ve learned this first hand. They literally ignore any request in hopes you will go away. It’s comical really!

Has anyone else had this experience or does anyone have any suggestions? The lawyers we’ve spoken to are all pretty reluctant because the Colorado Lemon Law protects manufacturers pretty well. We’re on our third motor though so at what point does common sense take over. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks,
Kurt

This is why I'd NEVER buy another Wrangler with the 2.0....I had a 2021 Sahara built with that engine which was still a newer option at the time, and it blew the head gasket in less than 15K miles with easy driving by my wife. After 12 weeks of hold up at the dealer driving a crappy Compass courtesy car, it came back in awful condition with harnesses routed wrong and every cover snotted up really bad with silicone. I traded it at a loss for a Subaru Outback which we still have in 2023, and just had a Willys built a few months ago this time with the V6. So far so good..

 

[Pape]

Have you done any mods to it? Just asking since there was a guy a while back with multiple failures who said he'd done no engine mods, but it turned out he had added an oil catch can that we're fairly confident was the root cause.

How a catch can be the issue for a failing engine ? Back in the day we where replacing the tube by a filter, plug the intake and be done with it.

 

[Nitehawk92]

Yeah they are as confused as to why it failed twice as we are. The new engine is identical to the last one they put in. Zero changes or improvements. Yet they assure me it won’t happen again? Why? It’s the same engine. Ha

[/QUOTE]

Ask them to put in a 392 under warranty. Maybe that will fix the issue...

 

[Ratbert]

How a catch can be the issue for a failing engine ? Back in the day we where replacing the tube by a filter, plug the intake and be done with it.

It was speculated that he wasn't exactly diligent in draining it.

 

[Pape]

It was speculated that he wasn't exactly diligent in draining it.

For the sake of conversation, full catch can would only dump in the intake resulting in performance and idle issue. Hardly a case for replacement of engines. It also can be argue that if you fill a catch can there is a problem somewhere else.

 

[Javwohl]

You may want to look at colorado lemon laws again. They changed them last year i belive but it's if you have had 3 problems in the first 2 years or 24kmiles or 2 issue that is safety related. Colorado lemon law is very generous to the consumer. The reason I know this is because since July of last year I've been having electrical issues with my jeep taken it to the dealer 5 times and waiting on jeep to decide what they are going to do this time. I the last 6 weeks I've had the same issue 3 times with less then 1k miles. I've had the star connector replaced twice and a battery replaced once.​

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