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2024 might be “cheaper” but we have fewer options.

From what I recall:
  1. The V6 is gone from Sahara. The manual transmission is gone as well
  2. Selec-Trac is gone from Sport, Willys and Sahara. The only way to get it now is to buy a 4Xe
  3. LSD is gone from Sport and Sahara, the only way to get it now is to buy a 4Xe
  4. High Altitude is now 4Xe ONLY
  5. EcoDiesel is gone across the board
  6. Many stand alone options are gone from Rubicon. If you want them, you have to step up to a Rubicon X
I simply cannot order what I currently own any more: V6, auto, Selec-Trac, LSD.

Jeep is giving me NO reasons to order a 2024. The larger screen and added airbags don’t cut it.
What did they change the transfer case to in the sport, willys and sahara if they got rid of selec-trac?
disregard. I just never even knew what selec-trac was.
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Unfortunately we can't get the XR w 35's and 6sp manual. XR gives you the 4.56 which is likely the sweet spot given Jeep engineers developed the XR w that ratio. 4.88 if you're doing more rock crawling. But 4.10 is prob best for highway and mpg.

The 2023 Willys came with 3.45 so 4.10 will be an improvement.
Thanks for replying. I should have rephrased my question better. Is it worth having 4.56 gears installed into a Willys either by the dealer. Or somewhere else once its delivered.
 

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If mileage is your primarily concern then I'm not sure that a Wrangler is the best vehicle for you. It's simply horrible from an aerodynamic perspective and is incredibly heavy. Including large, heavy tires to improve your off road performance hurts mileage even more.

Make sure you test drive similarly-equipped Wranglers with manuals and automatics. I bought my first one (a manual Rubicon with 33s & 4.10s) without realizing how poorly it performed in comparison to an automatic. I should have known better, but I've always loved driving manuals.

Heads-up that rock crawling is more challenging with a manual. I foolishly thought that that would be a good thing since I love challenges, but no, it wasn't. Remember that we typically don't do things like putting smaller tires on to make the trails more challenging.
Mileage isnt that much of a concern. I was just wondering because I keep reading different things about the mileage. I read its better with the 4.56 then 4.88. Tire size, intake type etc etc. Its so all over the place that I was hoping a few forum membes gave one answer. I was asking about mileage in hope I would get opinions on how to achieve the most mph. Im a realist. A bunch of my friends have Wranglers. Although the are just mall crawlers. Anything I do to my cars or motorcycles gets them on the track. So this jeep would also go on trails. Ok let me rephrase. I went on trails a couple of times. Im no expert at all. Although I drove my uncles 6spd. Yes it was challenging. But 70% of my cars have been manuals. Many of which had upgraded after market clutches and flywheels. When I drove his Wrangler 6spd. Yes it was a bit challenging. Not what I expected. But it wasnt somehthing I said I would never enjoy.
 

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Thanks for replying. I should have rephrased my question better. Is it worth having 4.56 gears installed into a Willys either by the dealer. Or somewhere else once its delivered.
Yes and no. With 35s 4.56 is a lot more driving fun than 4.10 - it just feels a lot better. 4.10 works, but 4.56 is more enjoyable. But the rub is finding someone to install the gears. There are many places that install gears but also many of them don't do a great job. They use air guns rather than torque wrenches, don't replace bearings and don't take much time to set up the gears. I've see videos where they cut every possible corner because setting up gears can be a time consuming operation. Usually a one man band with a lot of experience is the shop that I would want to do the job.
 

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Remember that tow/haul/aux switches are also now included in the Willy’s package. If only you could get it with the front cam.
Amazon has a camera that plugs into the back of the 8.4 stereo for park assist 100 bucks I think
 

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This is why I ordered the Rubicon rather than the Willy's. That and also the 4.10 gear ratio.
I thought gear ratio on the 2024 Willys was 4.10? Many sites show that it has a 4.10. There a few posts on this forum that also mentioned back in April it was confirmed the WIllys came with a 4.10 gear ratio. This link shows the upgrades on each 2024 model. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/the-2024-jeep-wrangler-pdf.736084/ I hope it works when I click post reply.
 

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Mileage isnt that much of a concern. I was just wondering because I keep reading different things about the mileage. I read its better with the 4.56 then 4.88. Tire size, intake type etc etc. Its so all over the place that I was hoping a few forum membes gave one answer. I was asking about mileage in hope I would get opinions on how to achieve the most mph. Im a realist. A bunch of my friends have Wranglers. Although the are just mall crawlers. Anything I do to my cars or motorcycles gets them on the track. So this jeep would also go on trails. Ok let me rephrase. I went on trails a couple of times. Im no expert at all. Although I drove my uncles 6spd. Yes it was challenging. But 70% of my cars have been manuals. Many of which had upgraded after market clutches and flywheels. When I drove his Wrangler 6spd. Yes it was a bit challenging. Not what I expected. But it wasnt somehthing I said I would never enjoy.
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Yes and no. With 35s 4.56 is a lot more driving fun than 4.10 - it just feels a lot better. 4.10 works, but 4.56 is more enjoyable. But the rub is finding someone to install the gears. There are many places that install gears but also many of them don't do a great job. They use air guns rather than torque wrenches, don't replace bearings and don't take much time to set up the gears. I've see videos where they cut every possible corner because setting up gears can be a time consuming operation. Usually a one man band with a lot of experience is the shop that I would want to do the job.
IF we were talking about motorcycles or European cars with performance engine, suspension, or upgrading other parts that are needed. And divide the conversation on the best parts we needed for the street or track. As well breaking it down even further on the type of handling and performance we wanted. Then we can discuss things LOL. Although Im a novice when it comes to Jeep Wranglers. Im like a kid in a candy store. When I first started to look at the 2024 Wrangler. I saw the Rubicon can be ordered with a 4.88 rear axle. Yet the XR package came with the 4.56. And stock on the Rubicon and WIllys was 4.10. I tried looking up which was better for the type of driving I do. Was it the 4.56 or 4.88 with 35 tires and 6spd. As I started reading different opinions. I felt as though I was watching congress debate.

I asked a few questions about the differences. As well as read posts forum members made on this forum and other forums. These are a few replies and posts I read. "The 4.10 is perfectly fine with 35's. No the 4.88 is what is needed. Yes the 4.88 is great and is the best set up. But you will be going from 1st to 2nd right away. No the 4.56 is great because it in the middle. I went to 4.88 but now going to 5.13. No I have 5.13 and will go down to 4.88. Im going back down to 4.10 from the 4.88. The 3.73 is perfectly fine with 33 and 35 inch tires. Where are you going that you need to be fast" Etc etc. And its not just a few guys writing this. Its hundreds of posts Ive read going as far back as around 2014. Youre actually the first person who wrote something short and simple. Yet pretty much gave me what I was looking for. "With 35's 4.56 is a lot more driving fun that 4.10" Do you happen to know what 4.56 kit is needed with the Dana 44 front and rear? Is it different or have more parts if the Jeep didnt have the front and rear Dana 44's? Time frame to convert? Id appreciate any infor. If I did this. Id have the dealer install it along with the aftermarket clutch set up they are going to install. I was told its $120 an hour. She had to repeat herself because I thought I was hearing things. Here in NY its between $200-$215 an hour.

Ive driven my brother inlaws 2022 Jeep Wrangler. What I do know is I hate the way my brother inlaws clutch feels. I know what I like and dont like. And that oem clutch is not what I like LOL. I could be wrong. But I dont think the new replacement clutch Jeep is going to install on the recalls. Or install on the 2024 6spds once they will go into production are going to feel much better than the current one.
 

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A difference I noticed is you can't get a 6 cyl. with an auto trans. in a '24 Willy's which may be a problem for some.
Just in case anyone doesn't know, the '24 Willys is (now) available with 6cyl. and automatic.
 

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Just in case anyone doesn't know, the '24 Willys is (now) available with 6cyl. and automatic.
Yes. But now you can't get the hard top headliner and the safety group when you order a 6cyl. w/ auto. trans. They are always changing what you can and can't get with certain options.
 

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Yes. But now you can't get the hard top headliner and the safety group when you order a 6cyl. w/ auto. trans. They are always changing what you can and can't get with certain options.
Don't go by the build and price on the Jeep website. Ask a dealer with a experienced special order sales rep.
 

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Yes. But now you can't get the hard top headliner and the safety group when you order a 6cyl. w/ auto. trans. They are always changing what you can and can't get with certain options.
Is the only way to find out what you can and can't get to go to a dealership and try to order one?

Now that you mention the safety group I have not seen any Wranglers for sale with that recently.

I was thinking of getting the safety group.
 

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If the Willy’s now gets the high clearance rubicon, fender flares, does it also gets the wider Rubicon axles
 
 







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