2 DOOR JL build/order discussions master thread

[Affliction-101]

Anybody looking for a 2 door JL Rubi in Dallas? this dealer has one in transit. 133k -500 military discount.

https://www.richardsonchryslerjeepd...Wrangler-2be636670a0e0adf1f544f40fd563328.htm

I just called and spoke to Alan there and the jeep is in transit 2-3 weeks before they get it at most according to them.

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[Fred]

I’m in KZ!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome! Very happy for you!

 

[FireWire]

There is a white Sport S with PST at a dealer in London Ontario. I have just talked to a sales guy. I will stop in today to look at it.

Here is the window sticker. The salesman swears it is a soft top, but sticker says Hard Top..
I'll drop in to see for myself tomorrow.

 

[warc1]

Ok...called back and got another “BS Thrower”. Said I’m in D1 and have been for 31 days...assigned a case number...they will be in contact for a more direct update. Doesn’t sound at all like the the last information. I think I’m being jerked around and I don’t like it...Hmmm!

See if you can get a current Priced Order Confirmation (POC) from your dealer. If your salesperson can't provide it, go to the new car sales manager that definitely can. In my experience, it's much more reliable than any information you get from FCA customer service reps.

The POC will confirm D1 status, and if so, have the "Estimated Ship Date". That's your target build date, and I'd wager money it's 5-25. From what I've seen, those dates are relatively accurate. My actual build date was within 4 days of the estimate given 3 weeks out.

 

[Mordin Solus]

I just called and spoke to Alan there and the jeep is in transit 2-3 weeks before they get it at most according to them.

Did he happen to say what additional features you get for 131k? Like does it fly or can be used as a submarine?

 

[warc1]

Lol. Probably applying the window sticker.

That was my best guess, but I thought that was applied at the end of the assembly line and it's strange that it doesn't show on all builds.

 

[Affliction-101]

Did he happen to say what additional features you get for 131k? Like does it fly or can be used as a submarine?

The price was actually $43.6 if i recall correctly plus tax

 

[Mordin Solus]

The price was actually $43.6 if i recall correctly plus tax

Just poking fun the link shows price as 131k.

 

[Kansascoast]

What dealer in Kansas ?

I ordered from Kim in Conway, Arkansas. (I’m in Hays, KS)

 

[Mordin Solus]

In other news, 2 doors in transit to my area went from 2 last week, 4 this weekend, and now 10 as of today.

 

[Kansascoast]

See if you can get a current Priced Order Confirmation (POC) from your dealer. If your salesperson can't provide it, go to the new car sales manager that definitely can. In my experience, it's much more reliable than any information you get from FCA customer service reps.

The POC will confirm D1 status, and if so, have the "Estimated Ship Date". That's your target build date, and I'd wager money it's 5-25. From what I've seen, those dates are relatively accurate. My actual build date was within 4 days of the estimate given 3 weeks out.

Thanks...I’ll check with them tomorrow.

 

[keda69]

This argument keeps getting trotted out and makes no sense to the point that I'm going to make one last (admittedly long) attempt to try and explain why. FCA does not get $3000 more for each 2.0T. They get no more than two month's interest on the profit margin that I can demonstrate below is likely less than $10 per vehicle. They are probably fast tracking less than 3,000 vehicles meaning their total financial benefit is around $30,000. Do you really think that's the reason 2.0T's are temporarily being accelerated?

No, as I've said before, the most likely explanation is risk management. 2drs and 2.0T's are being rolled out at the same time. During initial production you have heightened oversight to ensure initial production does not have systemic issues. That means more checks, more tests, and more inspection staff that has a very high ongoing cost for which you want to minimize the duration. Those costs are orders of magnitude above $30,000, and if you are rolling out two new product developments (2dr and 2.0T), they can be economized by doing as much as you can in parallel. More significantly, with just one assembly line making all JL's, you greatly lower the risk to the entire production with one combined launch, rather than have two separate introductions with two points of impact to production.

In other words, two possible explanations for accelerating 2.0T's are for FCA to earn an extra $30,000 in total or to manage millions of dollars in risk. What do you think the answer is?

So here's the math and I'll make it as conservative as possible. It should be obvious that these orders are not replacing V6 orders, only deferring them for likely no more than a month, but for the sake of conservancy, I'll make it two. That means this is not new money, only a change in cash flow to get more revenue up front. Total revenue will be the same no matter what the order of the builds are. FCA's benefit under this scenario is that they either earn interest or lower their cost of money by front loading the revenue stream.

Let's say the profit margin on the 2.0L and transmission is 50%, which is an extremely high number. And let's say the cost of money is 7% per year, or 1.16% over two months. Manual Wrangler builds are less that 20% of total production, so the $2,000 transmission value has to be modified by that percentage. The resulting equation for the net increase in revenue to FCA is then [0.5(1000)+0.5(.2)(2000)]0.0116. That's $8.10 per vehicle.

Regarding aggregate value, FCA is trying to ramp up 2dr production to 6,000 vehicles per month and are likely nowhere near that number. But let's say they are. Let's also say that nominal demand for 2.0L is 25% of production (high in my view) and that they are now accelerating them to 50% of production. The total number of accelerated vehicles over two months becomes 6,000(.5-.25)2. That works out to 3,000 total vehicles, and if you round up my $8.10 net profit to $10, you get an aggregate total of $30,000.

You can argue that I'm way off base, and that my assumptions are out by an order of magnitude, and you'll still get nowhere near the risk management benefit.

Your wrong , have absolutely no data to back up your made up numbers and theory. Once again you have to respond to one of my posts with your nonsense.

 

[BostonBilly]

Not to be Debbie Downer but my dealer just told me he has three sold orders stuck in Brookfield for almost 3 weeks. Why is good news always followed with bad

Yeah sounds about right

 

[keda69]

Another call to jeep another escalation , i now have my ninth case number. how disorganized are they ? They cant even see in their own system that my jeep Has nine case numbers assigned to it? It would be funny if it wasnt frustrating so many of us.

 

[3uPh0riK]

Another call to jeep another escalation , i now have my ninth case number. how disorganized are they ? They cant even see in their own system that my jeep Has nine case numbers assigned to it? It would be funny if it wasnt frustrating so many of us.

I asked my wife if we shouldn't just cancel this order but she said hell's no I want me some Jeep

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