2 DOOR JL build/order discussions master thread

[That One Guy]

We can hope, but in reality Jeep is near bottom of barrel in quality:
https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

I am sure some are fine, and we will hear some heart warming stories about uncle Joe's Jeep never let anyone down, but the 2 star quality means most of us will have issues

Unfortunately a lot of fanbois here don't care about that, and become mortally offended when it's brought up. The anecdotal evidence that their single Jeep hasn't let them down is enough for them to say that as a whole, Jeeps are fantastically reliable, and that if the JL has 20 known issues, any of them "could happen to any other vehicle on sale"--even when they statistically don't.

Again, I'm hoping for a decently problem free experience during the factory warranty period. If it's a problem child after that (or too much so during), it'll be time to bail out--with market leading resale value! :D

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[That One Guy]

I have one of those stories, my dad has 150k miles on a 2010 JK with the 3.8L and has had no issues.

hence the important of the statistical average.

Jay Leno drove a Lamborghini Countach 60,000+ miles without much issue, but that says nothing about brand-wide reliability.

I'm thinking about starting a thread asking users to give 2 pieces of information: odometer reading and whether they have had a problem (or multiple) or not, and the level of severity if so. A large compilation of that kind of data says a lot. And it gets the positive votes in there, because problem free owners are, of course, underrepresented in threads. Nobody starts a thread to announce that they've had zero issues! haha

 

[PavementWarrior]

hence the important of the statistical average.

Jay Leno drove a Lamborghini Countach 60,000+ miles without much issue, but that says nothing about brand-wide reliability.

I'm thinking about starting a thread asking users to give 2 pieces of information: odometer reading and whether they have had a problem (or multiple) or not, and the level of severity if so. A large compilation of that kind of data says a lot. And it gets the positive votes in there, because problem free owners are, of course, underrepresented in threads. Nobody starts a thread to announce that they've had zero issues! haha

Why? reliability numbers in the industry are not an unknown (the link I posted used over 640,000 vehicles which is a good sample size) , and Jeep is near the bottom. I do agree you cant decide the JL has good or bad quality based on a few posts in a forum, and yes most posters are doing so because they do have an issue.


We also know the early first year units will have more production related problems than ones next year or later this year.

To me this just means its a vehicle I cant order, cause I am going to buy it like it was used, and check everything out. If the doors all out of align and the frame was bubble welded to hell, top has wind whistling inside, or half the electronics are out of whack I will pass on that unit.

 

[echris1]

I'm not going to say my 95 YJ has never given me any trouble, but on the other hand, I have usually been able to fix it myself relatively easily and cheaply.

Oh, and once you put a lift on it, no more need to even jack it up to crawl underneath comfortably =)

This is might be an old timer thing (even though I'm only 33) but wrenching on my Jeep was always just part of the fun.

 

[keda69]

hence the important of the statistical average.

Jay Leno drove a Lamborghini Countach 60,000+ miles without much issue, but that says nothing about brand-wide reliability.

I'm thinking about starting a thread asking users to give 2 pieces of information: odometer reading and whether they have had a problem (or multiple) or not, and the level of severity if so. A large compilation of that kind of data says a lot. And it gets the positive votes in there, because problem free owners are, of course, underrepresented in threads. Nobody starts a thread to announce that they've had zero issues! haha

Unfortunately a lot of fanbois here don't care about that, and become mortally offended when it's brought up. The anecdotal evidence that their single Jeep hasn't let them down is enough for them to say that as a whole, Jeeps are fantastically reliable, and that if the JL has 20 known issues, any of them "could happen to any other vehicle on sale"--even when they statistically don't.

Again, I'm hoping for a decently problem free experience during the factory warranty period. If it's a problem child after that (or too much so during), it'll be time to bail out--with market leading resale value! :D

All i care about is that the drive train is reliable, if there are other issues i can deal with them.

 

[Jlrut]

I still can’t understand the lack of communication. I can understand the 4dr $, but give us a good date.

 

[Jeepster2018]

+1

Not just Jeeps, but people are that way with anything they buy. They always want to feel like they made the right decision and will even over looks things to keep that belief.

The best selling, perceived most reliable car, consumers will over look reliability and quality issues while so called less reliable issue people will more likely have a tendency to acknowledge issues and tell them themselves never again will they buy such a vehicle.

Unfortunately a lot of fanbois here don't care about that, and become mortally offended when it's brought up. The anecdotal evidence that their single Jeep hasn't let them down is enough for them to say that as a whole, Jeeps are fantastically reliable, and that if the JL has 20 known issues, any of them "could happen to any other vehicle on sale"--even when they statistically don't.

Again, I'm hoping for a decently problem free experience during the factory warranty period. If it's a problem child after that (or too much so during), it'll be time to bail out--with market leading resale value! :D

 

[jeeperJB]

Soon these will be 2 doors!

 

[IMBlu]

I have officially decided to ditch my 2018 order and go for a 2019. It will just kill me to get my Jeep and then two months later everybody’s going to be talking about and ordering 2019’s. there’s obviously some production issues and I want to let them get that all sorted out. Also and I know this is stupid but parts and questions are also always going to be a hassle when you say I have a 2018 jeep they’re going to ask is it the JK or the JL or you’ll just get the wrong parts. It’s always going to be a hassle when they make two different vehicles in the same model year. Right now all this is fresh in everybody’s mind in five years from now when you say you have a 2018 jeep everybody will think JK when you go for parts. And don’t even go into a dealership for parts without your Vin number in hand for your 2018 jeep they won’t be able to help you. LOL when you say I have a 2019 jeep everybody will know what you’re talking about.

Hmm... you sound as discouraged as so many of us... I’m sticking with my 2 door Rubi order. I fear in 2019, it will be again 6-8 months of waiting on that one! I haven’t bothered my dealer in over 2 weeks, but will this Monday, to find out his knowledge about production launch. Me, I’ll just hang on, but I can see how one can get pretty fed up...

 

[IMBlu]

The problem with ratings like those in the Consumer Reports link is they don't tell how good or bad a car is. They place the different models on a 100 point scale and tell how they statistically compare to each other. The model at the bottom could be good and the models above it better, or they could all be junk and the one at the top is less junky than those below it, or the top could be good and the bottom junk. The report doesn't say.

The auto industry has made huge improvement in reliability and longevity of its product over the past 40 years. I don't think the gap between brands is as wide as the report leads us to believe.

Last time I used Consumer Report to buy something, it was for a sewing machine.

 

[keda69]

Soon these will be 2 doors!

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[jeeperJB]

Google earth?

Picture on Wicked Jeeps. 27,000 jeeps in March

 

[jlopes68]

All i care about is that the drive train is reliable, if there are other issues i can deal with them.

my girl has a first run 07 jk 2 door that ive been wrenching on for 6 years now, almost 200k miles on og engine and auto trans. i can understand some peoples concerns with Wranglers. i would not suggest one for someone who does not wrench. to me they come out of the box ready for wrenching, i mean look at those steel bumpers, first thing your gonna do is wrench off those ends right? the 07 has had its various issues as you would expect from a 10+ year old truck that wheels. it leaks like a sieve, needs new seals everywhere and its all i can do to keep up with the bearings, tie rod ends, shocks, bushings etc. ill tell you what, its been in limp mode but it aint been dead yet. im lucky as the new JL ordered is not a "need" based decision so i can afford to wait. and as for reliability issues, you really gotta be a fanboi to buy and forever wrench on a jeep so believe em when they say its reliable.

 

[PavementWarrior]

my girl has a first run 07 jk 2 door that ive been wrenching on for 6 years now, almost 200k miles on og engine and auto trans. i can understand some peoples concerns with Wranglers. i would not suggest one for someone who does not wrench. to me they come out of the box ready for wrenching, i mean look at those steel bumpers, first thing your gonna do is wrench off those ends right? the 07 has had its various issues as you would expect from a 10+ year old truck that wheels. it leaks like a sieve, needs new seals everywhere and its all i can do to keep up with the bearings, tie rod ends, shocks, bushings etc. ill tell you what, its been in limp mode but it aint been dead yet. im lucky as the new JL ordered is not a "need" based decision so i can afford to wait. and as for reliability issues, you really gotta be a fanboi to buy and forever wrench on a jeep so believe em when they say its reliable.

In modern cars drive trains are leveraged across product lines and are usually fairly good. You might get a minor issue when new on a seal or something due to a production error, but the dealer can easily correct that on warranty. (I will stay with the proven v6, and skip the goofy turbo charged 4)

Now days the concern is how well the massive amount of electronics and 4-5+ networked computers required to run work. They don't wear out based on mileage and you really cant wrench them (replace modules and sensors for $$)

The old school Jeep owner laughs, they prefer having all their own stuff under there. My brother's jeep has a V8, changed out drive train axles etc. basically only the body and frame are jeep. He will never sell it, and he simply does more mega upgrades while fixing anything.

That is a much different buyer than today's jeep buyer. The new Wrangler looks amazing and is pulling in alot of new buyers to the brand, it will be interesting to see how the reaction is of people not used to rolling up their sleeves do vs guys like my brother and you who are very hands on.


Old or new buy we will all have to figure out how to navigate this new era of computers filling hte cabin good and bad.

 

[Solidaxle]

Hmm... you sound as discouraged as so many of us... I’m sticking with my 2 door Rubi order. I fear in 2019, it will be again 6-8 months of waiting on that one! I haven’t bothered my dealer in over 2 weeks, but will this Monday, to find out his knowledge about production launch. Me, I’ll just hang on, but I can see how one can get pretty fed up...

Honestly it’s not just frustration at this point it’s become practicality. If 2019 brings BSG standard then that means if I have a 2018 JL two door that the drivetrain will be 3-4 months production of that combo only , talk about rare and possible limited aftermarket support. The new BSG powertrain will be in the new pickup and all new wranglers being built so that powertrain will get all the support and attention, there already taking About all the cool accessories they can run off of the generator. Anyways I don’t want to have a super limited very rare limited production model so that’s also my reasoning for waiting at this point.

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