You wanted cheaper prices, right?

[TheRaven]

Tesla is most likely doing that to make buying a Tesla a no brainier for people looking for an BEV, buying a non Tesla BEV is risky business , especially one from the Big 3.

When Tesla brings out the Model 2 it would be even more difficult for car makers to sell EVs.

Wut. I would buy a BEV from GM or Ford LONG before i'd touch a Tesla. Hell i'd buy one from FCA before i'd buy a Tesla. FCA and Tesla are both terrible companies, but at least FCA knows how to run a service dept right (whether they CHOOSE to remains a question though).

But even those concerns aside, only crazy people are going near Teslas and other upstart EV companies...there's no resale value. You are buying the car like it's a forever car and there's no chance it can be.

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[BXFXJeep]

Wut. I would buy a BEV from GM or Ford LONG before i'd touch a Tesla. Hell i'd buy one from FCA before i'd buy a Tesla. FCA and Tesla are both terrible companies, but at least FCA knows how to run a service dept right (whether they CHOOSE to remains a question though).

But even those concerns aside, only crazy people are going near Teslas and other upstart EV companies...there's no resale value. You are buying the car like it's a forever car and there's no chance it can be.

I personally would not touch a FCA product, I only buy the Wrangler, it just happens FCA makes it, hopefully I can squeeze 10+ years out of my 4xe.

EVs and resale is a bit of a weird space, when you are getting $7-$10K government grease to buy an EV that's already a huge drop in resale. EVs are heavily brutalized it seems most Teslas are Uber, or they are in my area at least, ask Hertz about their adventure renting EVs for ride-sharing.

EVs don't really need to be flipped like pancakes either, if you are flipping a vehicle, then that puts you in a different purchasing category.

Buy an EV, save on gas etc, then resale doesn't matter, if you are buying an EV for tech and other benefits, then that's more of a luxury, which comes with a value penalty to begin with, ask the BMW people about resale.

I also would not buy a Tesla.

FCA service departments have been having trouble doing simple oil changes for years, they are ?, and tend to gouge customers.

One reason for decades I only bought a Wrangler, is because I very rarely every needed the dealership after purchase, only once I needed them, and that was to replace the ? Uconnect.

It also makes me a little iffy on the 4xe, but now I don't really depend on a vehicle, the 4xe is more for daily joy riding.

The 4xe fails, I would be dumping it and most likely be looking to buy the cheapest EV on the market, I'm most likely not getting a newer Wrangler, that's for sure.

 

[DwnSth]

I'm glad I have my Daimler TJ and Fiat JL I guess when Jeep Wranglers were still mostly American engineered regardless of who owned them. That will no longer be the case.
I fear the future of Wrangler (and Jeep). These moves aren't all about cost cutting but the stated mission of the new head of Jeep to move most engineering out of the U.S. They'll still put up patriotic adds and jeeps with flags but what will it all mean. If I buy another jeep it will be used. Regardless of what people on this forum think, the Bronco is a contender and may end up being the American off-roader if jeep isn't careful!

 

[Jeep Wick]

Getting the lowest bidder for anything is a fool's errand. Moves like this end up costing them more in the long run.

 

[TheRaven]

Buy an EV, save on gas etc, then resale doesn't matter, if you are buying an EV for tech and other benefits, then that's more of a luxury, which comes with a value penalty to begin with, ask the BMW people about resale.

Resale matters...it doesn't matter if you are making enough that you can buy a Model S Plaid in one paycheck or you have to finance like regular people. We're talking $50-$100k purchases here. Absolutely no one is ok with buying something with that kind of price tag that's going to be worth $20k in three years. Even if you're the rich guy - cause when "the poor" can buy your beautiful "luxury sedan" on the used market for $20k...what's so special about it?

And i'm not seeing how the small savings on fuel are going to do anything at all to make up for resale value.

We definitely agree on FCA though. When I went shopping for a new truck, I ruled out RAM right off the bat because I don't want to be at the mercy of FCA for TWO of my vehicles. One is already more than enough. Otherwise a Rebel or TRX would have been on my shopping list.

 

[191185]

I own Tesla. I instantly went from spending $440 / month in gas to spending $35 / month extra in electricity. (drive over 100 miles a day for work often)

In 7-9 years I will have saved more in gas than the price of the Tesla, so my resale CAN be $0 for all I care.

If you buy a $50,000 jeep, then instantly spend $200-$400 / month in gas, how much did you spend total ( cost of jeep, plus cost of gas, minus resale of jeep)

I think a lot of people who dismiss a Tesla miss this point. Total cost of ownership.

I'll exit this thread before someone say, "how much does it cost to replace the batteries when they fail" . .. I'll won't be able to tell you, since I'll statistically get over 300,000 before I need to, and the car will have paid for itself and be long gone in a dump by then.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Resale matters...it doesn't matter if you are making enough that you can buy a Model S Plaid in one paycheck or you have to finance like regular people. We're talking $50-$100k purchases here. Absolutely no one is ok with buying something with that kind of price tag that's going to be worth $20k in three years. Even if you're the rich guy - cause when "the poor" can buy your beautiful "luxury sedan" on the used market for $20k...what's so special about it?

And i'm not seeing how the small savings on fuel are going to do anything at all to make up for resale value.

Me for example, gas is $6+ a gallon vs electric is 12 cents or cheaper, as an example to drive 20 miles with my 3.6 JL that's $7+, with the 4xe it's about $1.50, I got about 15 mpg with my previous Wranglers, gas saving for me is about $4,000+ a year.

Before buying an EV people need to know why and what they are buying etc, everyone is very different, people need to do their own research.

EV and resale value vary drastically, there are a lot of high mileage abused Teslas littering the market place, so buyer beware etc.

Live in a high gas, cheap electricity area, buy a model 3 vs a gasser, there can be a lot of savings, people need to work this out on their own.

 

[saturnfire]

For me I don't really care about Gas Prices...(I do but at some point, but not right now) We have 4 v8 4 wheel drive vehicles that get less the 15MPG (TRX is getting 10.6), but we may put 15K miles a year combined. (short work commutes) But I enjoy the old school V8 rumble and waking up the neighbors in the morning. (free community service) I however, would entertain getting a S plaid... I am even monitoring the Hertz fire sale of models 3's to just buy a commuter car when eventually I have to go into the office 5 days a week again or give my oldest her first car really soon.

 

[TheRaven]

Live in a high gas, cheap electricity area, buy a model 3 vs a gasser, there can be a lot of savings, people need to work this out on their own.

So it seems like we both kinda agree that EVs are still really only viable for a very small sub-group of the overall population...cause if you don't live in an area with cheap electricity and expensive gas, like 90% of the country, then the math is very different.

I live in an area of moderately priced gas AND electricity. I also was given a 2012 Model S Signature Perf as a work vehicle back when I was designing LEED certified BMS systems (these systems included EV charging as part of the package so it was promotional). At the time my "daily" was a Buick Lacrosse CXS. My monthly gas bill for the Buick was $200-220. When I started driving the S, obviously that gas bill went to nothing, but my electric bill went up $130-150/month. That's including being able to charge at work (essentially I was paying only for the juice used in my commute...the charging at work covered multiple daily trips to customer sites).

 

[gdeyarmond]

Not just that. with that Idiot that runs UAW...More Automakers are moving to Mexico. VW has massive facilities in Mexico. Toyota preemptively has moved all Tacoma production to Mexico. Ram, Chevy, etc. have also setup shop south of the border.

He's not an idiot if his job is to increase membership numbers by getting non-union shops to vote in favor of becoming UAW.

Are their raises huge? Yeah. But are Stellantis Fiat whatever's profits huge? Most definitely. Speak with your wallet if you don't like whatever is going on.

Toyota's Mexico production facility was already producing any non-TRD Pro automatic transmission Tacomas in Mexico throughout most of the 3rd gen. My manual Tacoma was built in San Antonio...long live the 3 pedal.

 

[2nd 392]

For me I don't really care about Gas Prices...(I do but at some point, but not right now) We have 4 v8 4 wheel drive vehicles that get less the 15MPG (TRX is getting 10.6), but we may put 15K miles a year combined. (short work commutes) But I enjoy the old school V8 rumble and waking up the neighbors in the morning. (free community service) I however, would entertain getting a S plaid... I am even monitoring the Hertz fire sale of models 3's to just buy a commuter car when eventually I have to go into the office 5 days a week again or give my oldest her first car really soon.

? This- 2 392’s and 1 V10, I even enjoy running errands, gas expense to me is the same as others golf, season tickets, fancy vacation- clothes- dining or other hobby enjoyment expense.
I do have my eye on the LC 1958 and if the new SS battery and a PHEV I might replace the GC with one for one cheap to drive vehicle with home solar, not interested in pure EV.

 

[Wbino]

I own Tesla. I instantly went from spending $440 / month in gas to spending $35 / month extra in electricity. (drive over 100 miles a day for work often)

In 7-9 years I will have saved more in gas than the price of the Tesla, so my resale CAN be $0 for all I care.

If you buy a $50,000 jeep, then instantly spend $200-$400 / month in gas, how much did you spend total ( cost of jeep, plus cost of gas, minus resale of jeep)

I think a lot of people who dismiss a Tesla miss this point. Total cost of ownership.

I'll exit this thread before someone say, "how much does it cost to replace the batteries when they fail" . .. I'll won't be able to tell you, since I'll statistically get over 300,000 before I need to, and the car will have paid for itself and be long gone in a dump by then.

I dismiss Tesla as a brand, they could mail me a check every month and I still would not drive one.
Some of us always go to the lowest cost some of us have different things that are important to them.
I'm glad Wrangler is made by UAW workers in OHIO.
4XE's will have the worst resale of any Wrangler, in a couple of years a 20 mile EV range will be a pittance.

 

[pnut]

It actually doesn't have anything to do with costs and profits.

What does it have to do with?

 

[saturnfire]

Great. added UAW membership and the cost of reduction in employment...give it 5 years to see the impact...European Companies setup shop here to reduce labor and Tariff costs. NAFTA makes it a no brainer for companies to setup shop in Mexico.

He's not an idiot if his job is to increase membership numbers by getting non-union shops to vote in favor of becoming UAW.

Are their raises huge? Yeah. But are Stellantis Fiat whatever's profits huge? Most definitely. Speak with your wallet if you don't like whatever is going on.

Toyota's Mexico production facility was already producing any non-TRD Pro automatic transmission Tacomas in Mexico throughout most of the 3rd gen. My manual Tacoma was built in San Antonio...long live the 3 pedal.

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