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True, but that data is actually fed through the 4G aircard for the OEM navigation to work, so Jeep is totally tracking you.
So what? This is complete hypocrisy if you have a cell phone (which nearly all of y'all do).
4G inherently tracks you to at least a 10 mile radius just based on what cell tower you're using. 5G will track you to within 1000' radius based on what tower you're using. The GPS system by itself has no clue if any receiver is receiving its signals nor has any idea where they are. GPS doesn't track you, 4G & 5G do. So smash your cell phone if you care about this.
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So what? This is complete hypocrisy if you have a cell phone (which nearly all of y'all do).
4G inherently tracks you to at least a 10 mile radius just based on what cell tower you're using. 5G will track you to within 1000' radius based on what tower you're using. The GPS system by itself has no clue if any receiver is receiving its signals nor has any idea where they are. GPS doesn't track you, 4G & 5G do. So smash your cell phone if you care about this.
Oh, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the previous poster made a joke about big brother and in order for the radio to even process GPS data, it literally has to go through big brother first. It's sneaky shit and yeah, GPS itself doesn't actually track anything, but if that 4G aircard dies, the GPS data doesn't get piped through the UConnect software and the navigation fails to operate. A dead aircard will show no active satellites on that screen.

That being said...

It shows you how much big brother is tracking you… ?
...this is technically true.
 

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Oh, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the previous poster made a joke about big brother and in order for the radio to even process GPS data, it literally has to go through big brother first. It's sneaky shit and yeah, GPS itself doesn't actually track anything, but if that 4G aircard dies, the GPS data doesn't get piped through the UConnect software and the navigation fails to operate. A dead aircard will show no active satellites on that screen.

That being said...



...this is technically true.
That isn't correct. The radio processes GPS data entirely on its own with no need for "big brother". GPS only provides the coordinates of your current location. GPS does not provide navigation. That's a completely independent and interchangeable system. What you're criticizing is UConnect, not GPS.

UConnect Navigation is cloud based therefore the radio uploads your GPS information that the radio obtained independently. It's not GPS that is doing that and navigation systems don't necessarily need to do that. That was a design choice by UConnect that has nothing to do with GPS.

The primary benefit of cloud based navigation is that you don't need to download, store and update your own maps. People are "tracked" because they're lazy and don't want to think. Well, guess what. Things don't "just work" automatically. There's someone managing that. As people demanded, that someone has to have their nose all up in your business because your nose isn't.
 

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Damn, that reminds me of security briefings that I've had with the FBI. I can't figure out a way to talk about it without talking about stuff that I can't talk about ;)
 

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That isn't correct. The radio processes GPS data entirely on its own with no need for "big brother". GPS only provides the coordinates of your current location. GPS does not provide navigation. That's a completely independent and interchangeable system. What you're criticizing is UConnect, not GPS.

UConnect Navigation is cloud based therefore the radio uploads your GPS information that the radio obtained independently. It's not GPS that is doing that and navigation systems don't necessarily need to do that. That was a design choice by UConnect that has nothing to do with GPS.

The primary benefit of cloud based navigation is that you don't need to download, store and update your own maps. People are "tracked" because they're lazy and don't want to think. Well, guess what. Things don't "just work" automatically. There's someone managing that. As people demanded, that someone has to have their nose all up in your business because your nose isn't.
If what you are saying is true, then the Navigation only works when you have connectivity to the cloud? There's a lot of places I go in the mountains and in the deserts west of Colorado that don't have any cell reception. Will the on-board navigation system not work in those areas?
 

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Any idea why 3 of them are blue?
Best guess:
Those signals are strong, but they're the furthest on the horizon (and probably moving away).
Not the most stable choice for that reason. Could go away soon. Stability comes first.

But yes, for highest accuracy, you want the furthest spread of points.
It can still give stability AND accuracy AND resolution that without those signals in particular.
But it keeps them around "just in case" something goes wrong somewhere else.
 

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If what you are saying is true, then the Navigation only works when you have connectivity to the cloud? There's a lot of places I go in the mountains and in the deserts west of Colorado that don't have any cell reception. Will the on-board navigation system not work in those areas?
I never use on-board navigation for that reason. Generally speaking, on-board turn-by-turn navigation is for civilization. Don't rely on it when heading out into the wilderness, especially once you're out of cell range. They either won't work at all or will have a map so rudimentary that it's useless.

I'm often out of cell range in the UT deserts and canyonlands. Out there you need GPS mapping apps, not navigation apps. Where you download detailed map sections you need while you have connectivity (topo and satillite images) and use GPS to place you on them while you're roaming around offiline. They don't do automatic routing or provide turn-by-turn navigation, they provide a map and it tracks your route on them.

I use Gaia, Backcountry Navigator (which has a BLM land use map overlay which is very useful in that area) and a backup Garmin handheld GPS w/ InReach emergency service.
 

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What you're criticizing is UConnect, not GPS.
Now you're getting it.

If what you are saying is true, then the Navigation only works when you have connectivity to the cloud? There's a lot of places I go in the mountains and in the deserts west of Colorado that don't have any cell reception. Will the on-board navigation system not work in those areas?
No, the navigation doesn't get coordinates directly from the aircard. It gets it from an actual GPS antenna, but the coordinates have to pipe through the aircard before it gets to the software. The aircard doesn't have to be connected to a tower, it just has to physically work (not be broken or dead) for that data to pass through.

There are many posts and threads of older 2018 units that had aircards that ate shit (mine included) and the unit couldn't pick up GPS satellites anymore. There was nothing wrong with the antenna, but that bridge (the aircard) which feeds the data wasn't there.

UConnect Navigation is cloud based therefore the radio uploads your GPS information that the radio obtained independently. It's not GPS that is doing that and navigation systems don't necessarily need to do that. That was a design choice by UConnect that has nothing to do with GPS.
These UConnect units are not cloud-based. That isn't a thing on these devices. If you want map updates, you still have to do it the old fashioned way by buying them. The aircard provides OTA updates, Sirius XM Guardian, WiFi service, system alerts, and UConnect remote app features, all of which are totally 100% talking to big brother.
 

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OK, I mis-spoke. Navigation and on-board maps are a different thing. I get that navigation ain't going to work where I go, but if the Jeep doesn't have air card or cell service reception, will the on-board maps work or not? Also, slightly different question, and please bear with my ignorance, I don't have my JL yet and the newest Jeep I've ever driven is a 2006 model with none of this stuff, is there some sort of WiFi hot spot built into the head unit to support these services? Wouldn't that require a monthly subscription?
 

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I found that same screen yesterday and watched it for a minute. I believe the blue ones are detected satellites, but the signal is marginal. As I watched, it fluctuated between 3 blue and 1 blue. As It changed, the "Available" number changed.
 
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I found that same screen yesterday and watched it for a minute. I believe the blue ones are detected satellites, but the signal is marginal. As I watched, it fluctuated between 3 blue and 1 blue. As It changed, the "Available" number changed.
There is a wonderful App call Starwalk which sets up the stars/planets etc in real time.
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Oh, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the previous poster made a joke about big brother and in order for the radio to even process GPS data, it literally has to go through big brother first. It's sneaky shit and yeah, GPS itself doesn't actually track anything, but if that 4G aircard dies, the GPS data doesn't get piped through the UConnect software and the navigation fails to operate. A dead aircard will show no active satellites on that screen.

That being said...



...this is technically true.
Well now I have to go look because I'm 99% sure I do not have an active aircard. I added a 8.4" uConnect setup after the fact and my navigation works fine. Jeep doesn't want to activate my Guardian system as it was not factory installed. I know one of the first steps is to activate that aircard.
 

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If the system is compatible with QZSS or GLONASS that could be the difference, but I haven't looked for much info on Uconnect so I'm shooting from the hip here lol.
Green bars are part of GPS and blue bars are part of GLONASS
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