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[rickinAZ]

You seem to take this very seriously. I hate nanny gear on vehicles, it’s based on experience with other brands (Acura’s is bad too). That’s OK, it’s my opinion, and there’s no reason not to share it.

Just to clear it is totally okay to share your experience, but to apply the non-Jeep experience as directly applicable to Jeep is misleading. I'm sure that you didn't intend to mislead, but potential Jeep owners may not be able to discern speculation from direct experience.

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[Rubi SoHo]

Just to clear it is totally okay to share your experience, but to apply the non-Jeep experience as directly applicable to Jeep is misleading. I'm sure that you didn't intend to mislead, but potential Jeep owners may not be able to discern.

Noted, I’ll work hard to never start saying I hate Jeep’s nanny equipment until I’ve tried it and realize I also hate their implementation.

In the meantime, I’ll keep it generic and state that I hate the idea of all nanny features, and especially the idea of them on my Jeep.

Jeeps (in my opinion) are supposed to be rugged, no nonsense utilitarian and fairly spartan. Some extras I personally like (I’m a fan of car play, navigation, air conditioning and heated seats and steering wheel. The rest I can do without. The more do-dads we add, the less “jeepy” the vehicle gets. My opinion of course.

If I want a jeep branded vehicle with the stuff, I’ll get a grand Cherokee.

 

[Heimkehr]

I could just let the Jeep take me on a trail run. I could even read a magazine or catch up on work while the jeep did all the hard stuff.

Sarcasm of course.

That's not so far from the truth, actually, provided the Jeep has an automatic transmission.

But for line selection, the adjustable Selec Speed Control feature will doddle the vehicle along the trail at a preset speed whilst in 4-LO. This is done via independent control of throttle and brakes to maintain the momentum you select.

Incorporate the required electronics that links the front camera to the correct line and by extension the steering, and you'll be able to read that magazine.

Ironically, many would have banned anti-lock brakes in 1990 - now they flippin love them.
Until then Luddites, why don't you refuse to buckle-up in protest, and see if Darwin intervenes.

I've been driving since the 80s, and Jeeping since the early 90s, well before anti-lock braking tech had reached broadband (or legislated) saturation in the consumer automotive market. We knew about it, though, and we were at the very least curious about its alleged functioning. My peers in the riding community were particularly excited to learn that BMW had pipped everyone to the post by introducing antilock braking tech...to their motorcycles...in 1988.

That was revolutionary. It transformed the riding experience in the same way that the tech transformed vehicle safety when automobiles began to enjoy the advantages that were initially limited to a single brand of motorcycle. More to the point, I don't recall any person or publication ever disparaging the technology, no matter if they catered to the riding or the driving market.

In post #25, you caution us against painting with too broad a brush. Perhaps you might do the same.

 

[Headbarcode]

Noted, I’ll work hard to never start saying I hate Jeep’s nanny equipment until I’ve tried it and realize I also hate their implementation.

In the meantime, I’ll keep it generic and state that I hate the idea of all nanny features, and especially the idea of them on my Jeep.

Jeeps (in my opinion) are supposed to be rugged, no nonsense utilitarian and fairly spartan. Some extras I personally like (I’m a fan of car play, navigation, air conditioning and heated seats and steering wheel. The rest I can do without. The more do-dads we add, the less “jeepy” the vehicle gets. My opinion of course.

If I want a jeep branded vehicle with the stuff, I’ll get a grand Cherokee.

I'm not at all a fan of the nannies either. At the same time, I ordered my JLUR with all the optional packages because I don't like blank button fill-ins on the dash and steering wheel.

In my opinion, some safety features provide a functional benefit, whereas most of them only serve to stunt our attentiveness towards our surroundings.

I like having the rear wide view camera and parksense system. It gives me more visibility of the aisle, when backing out of a spot next to other high profile vehicles, than what can be seen with just sideview mirrors and looking over my shoulders. Also, my spare blocks 90% of the back window and sits over 6' off the ground, so a full grown above average height guy could be standing right behind the Jeep, and I wouldn't know it until after i mowed him over and the screaming started.

Things like blindspot monitoring and lane keep assist tend to lead to the deterioration of the basic driving skills of most people. They easily become dependent on the nannie to pay attention for them, which leads to their brains mushing out on stupid shit instead of the important things at hand. Rather than actually look at and process the information in the side view mirrors, most drivers simply glance for the yellow triangle indicator. If it's not lit, they go for it. Not having to think about what's reflecting in the mirror, leads into not thinking about what happens if there is. That lack of thinking causes them to cut off or turn into other vehicles because it doesn't dawn on them that the warning light doesn't account for a faster passing vehicle until it's too late.

This is already getting wordy enough. I'll end by pointing out many of the current vehicle commercials that perfectly pander to the notion of not having to pay attention when operating a couple tons of high speed sheet metal. Like the car full of teenagers that are horsing around while flying down a highway, because the car let's them know when their veering into someone else's lane. Or the mother with young kids in the back, who's staring at the garage door instead of shoulder checking, and almost backs out in front of a bus.

Getting wordy again. Moral of the story, is we should not get in the way of the Darwin award ceremony. Thinning of the herd is crucial to long term survival.

 

[2nd 392]

[QUOTE="Heimkehr, post


I've been driving since the 80s, and Jeeping since the early 90s, well before anti-lock braking tech had reached broadband (or legislated) saturation in the consumer automotive market. We knew about it, though, and we were at the very least curious about its alleged functioning. My peers in the riding community were particularly excited to learn that BMW had pipped everyone to the post by introducing antilock braking tech...to their motorcycles...in 1988.

That was revolutionary. It transformed the riding experience in the same way that the tech transformed vehicle safety when automobiles began to enjoy the advantages that were initially limited to a single brand of motorcycle. More to the point, I don't recall any person or publication ever disparaging the technology, no matter if they catered to the riding or the driving market.

In post #25, you caution us against painting with too broad a brush. Perhaps you might do the same.
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Early anti locks were released before all the bugs were out and gave me the biggest scare of a 44 year trucker. First trip with a new trailer with them. Brakes started dumping air pressure with application upon cresting Pacheco Pass— 80,000 lb runaway down the old curving, mostly 2 lane pass. Using both lanes with wheels off the ground in curves, fortunately ~ 4AM , little traffic, took several miles to get stopped. Doubles, put the anti lock trailer in back and drained the air. Informed the shop, Finished the run with no pull trailer brakes. The problem was found to be using older and anti lock together trick F’d the anti locks into releasing. Shop worked on and came up with a fix.

 

[Opus]

My wife's Compass has ACC which I kinda wish I had gotten on the Wrangler. It also has the lane assist which I'm very glad I don't have on the Wrangler. I hate the way I have to fight the wheel pretty much every time I take an exit ramp.

As for other nanny features... how 'bout a Death Wobble Confirmation Light to confirm that what you're experiencing is, in fact, Death Wobble, and not just a city street in Pittsburgh...

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