This could slow down 4xe sales

[Jank4AU]

I am using the $7500 credit now on my 4xe for the 3rd time in my life, and I think it’s stupid to give a tax credit that everyone subsidizes and just benefits middle and upper class people. This bill is at least something, and I would no longer be eligible, but it won’t survive the house. They need to get rid of it totally and give POS incentives to lower income people.

It's called an incentive because it's supposed to make you more inclined to do something. Without the $7,500 tax incentive, I would not have ordered my 4xe, period. It's not efficient enough to pay that much more for. I would have to probably drive it for 20+ years to make up the added cost over a total ICE Rubicon. As has been said, the technology is so new right now that it's expensive so if they really, REALLY want us to go EV or minimize our carbon footprint, why pick and choose which people adopt the technology? It's nobody's business how much money another person has anyway, so stop the wealth envy. There are no classes in the USA. If there were, you wouldn't be able to get rich overnight or go from poverty to the penthouse. And vice versa, you wouldn't be able to go from the Penthouse to the outhouse. It's determined mostly by one's hard work and effort, and yeah, sometimes a little luck or being in the right place at the right time. But there are no classes.

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[CrimsonGhost]

$100k salary is wealthy? Maybe for a single person with no kids.

 

[mla575]

I am using the $7500 credit now on my 4xe for the 3rd time in my life, and I think it’s stupid to give a tax credit that everyone subsidizes and just benefits middle and upper class people. This bill is at least something, and I would no longer be eligible, but it won’t survive the house. They need to get rid of it totally and give POS incentives to lower income people.

Alright, I'll bite. Just wondering seriously. If you think its stupid, Why are you on your third time taking advantage of this credit? Could you have declined the past 2 times at least?

For me, I purchased with the idea of the tax credit and also Section 179 being self employed.

This would be my first time with this credit.

 

[Jank4AU]

$100k salary is wealthy? Maybe for a single person with no kids.

Even then it largely depends on where you live. If you're in AL, then yeah, If you're in Manhattan or San Francisco, not so much. So stupid to put a dollar cap on it, carte blanche.

 

[GATORB8]

I am using the $7500 credit now on my 4xe for the 3rd time in my life, and I think it’s stupid to give a tax credit that everyone subsidizes and just benefits middle and upper class people. This bill is at least something, and I would no longer be eligible, but it won’t survive the house. They need to get rid of it totally and give POS incentives to lower income people.

The credit is intended to be an incentive to EV production, the benefit to the buyers is just a consequence of that.

I understand the "it's not fair" argument, but really those middle/upper class people are the ones paying all the taxes. If you make 100k/yr and are married, this just about wipes out your entire tax bill. That's not "fair" to those that make and pay significantly more.

 

[RubiSc0tt]

I'm going to completely avoid any of the political banter and in this thread and reserve some of my own opinions, and focus on something I've been saying since day 1:

If you want mass EV Adoption? Give us something cool.

I don't want a fucking prius. I don't even want a Tesla. An EV Rubicon that performs better than the gasser version would be awesome. That's what I want. Most people just want a normal vehicle they actually like- not some weird, egg or shoebox shaped go-kart. For most gearheads- we just want one that will fulfill our chosen fun factor, only electric.

 

[Jank4AU]

The credit is intended to be an incentive to EV production, the benefit to the buyers is just a consequence of that.

I'm not sure I'm following here. Why would this be an incentive to production if the purchaser is the one who gets the tax credit? Jeep wants to sell EV's to get their fleet mileage up to meet CAFE standards, especially now that the 392 is out. But how would production benefit them when they don't get the tax credit?

 

[GATORB8]

I'm not sure I'm following here. Why would this be an incentive to production if the purchaser is the one who gets the tax credit? Jeep wants to sell EV's to get their fleet mileage up to meet CAFE standards, especially now that the 392 is out. But how would production benefit them when they don't get the tax credit?

Because it causes to purchaser to buy the vehicle despite higher initial costs. I’d bet heavy that the take rate on the 4xe would be extremely low if it didn’t exist.

The politicians just want more EVs on the road.

 

[Jank4AU]

Because it causes to purchaser to buy the vehicle despite higher initial costs. I’d bet heavy that the take rate on the 4xe would be extremely low if it didn’t exist.

The politicians just want more EVs on the road.

From that standpoint I think it's semantics; just looking at it from different sides. They only produce what we are buying. It only encourages production because the consumer is first willing to buy it. When you say it encourages production, I see that as something regardless of consumption. But if they are incentivizing purchases, or consumption, that will drive production. I get your point.

 

[GATORB8]

From that standpoint I think it's semantics; just looking at it from different sides. They only produce what we are buying. It only encourages production because the consumer is first willing to buy it. When you say it encourages production, I see that as something regardless of consumption. But if they are incentivizing purchases, or consumption, that will drive production. I get your point.

Yeah, maybe adoption would have been a better word.

 

[CivilJeep]

a tax credit that everyone subsidizes and just benefits middle and upper class people.

Keeping more of the money you earned is not a subsidy.

 

[Windshieldfarmer]

I'm not sure I'm following here. Why would this be an incentive to production if the purchaser is the one who gets the tax credit? Jeep wants to sell EV's to get their fleet mileage up to meet CAFE standards, especially now that the 392 is out. But how would production benefit them when they don't get the tax credit?

Easy answer - the tax credit drives demand.

 

[Jank4AU]

Easy answer - the tax credit drives demand.

That's my point, you're subsidizing demand. Production follows demand.

At the end of the day I'm excited about the potential of EV's. I hope to be able to hang onto my 4xe, if it ever gets built for me, and trade it in on the full EV Wrangler in a few years.

 

[rickinAZ]

I think it’s stupid to give a tax credit that everyone subsidizes and just benefits middle and upper class people.

Not to mention the fact that we already did this several years ago. I believe that it was called a "big, beautiful tax cut".

 

[CrimsonGhost]

I had an 07 Ford Escape Hybrid. The tax incentive made it more affordable than comparable non-hybrids. Unfortunately, right as the 3/36 expired, I started having 100% brake failure due to a possibly bad ECM or HCM which controls the hybrid components including the regenerative braking. Because they were not hybrid components themselves, Ford refused to cover them under the 100k hybrid warranty.

Dumped that POS as fast as I could. Swore off Fords after that.

If it hadn't been for the tax credit, I would have never spent the extra money on a Hybrid that has marginal economy gains.

If the 4xe can outperform the gas models and give better than 20 miles before charging, I'd consider it if it were a similar price. I'd still like to know how electric bills are affected by the charging of EVs vs. gas costs.

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