The "hate" on Jeeps + Speed

[2nd 392]

Its a jeep so obviously it can't be fast either... the trackhawk is quicker than the hellcats thanks to it's awd, don't tell these other guys.

I was hoping for the Hellcat in 15, but nope.
I told my buddy “If I get it they’ll put the blower motor in them next year just to piss me off”…..
I missed it by a year.

Sponsored

 

[yokramer]

The argument doesn't make sense. Even though even the base JL is quicker than most of its competitors including the Bronco raptor halo model is not fast and the wrong platform for off roading at speed? I agree it's the wrong platform if you want a track car or desert only rig. If you want a faster trail rig that can still run hard trails it's the only platform. Everything else is too wide. IFS sucks in the big rocks far more than solid axles do in the desert. Unless your building an ultra 4 car or buggy, but that's not comparable in the least.

Man you really cant let it go can you.

Nothing factory is going to go fast in the rocks, even your gladiator you were pointing to had a full suspension replacement with multi thousand dollar shocks on it to be able to go fast in the rocks. Doesnt make Timmys Mojave able to go fast in the same rocks.

 

[James Westfall]

The argument doesn't make sense. Even though even the base JL is quicker than most of its competitors including the Bronco raptor halo model is not fast and the wrong platform for off roading at speed?

"Quick" and "fast" are not the same thing. But yes, the above statement is correct, and makes perfect sense.

 

[Remorseless]

 

[Zandcwhite]

"Quick" and "fast" are not the same thing. But yes, the above statement is correct, and makes perfect sense.

Fast isn't just top speed or cornering on a track. That's the disagreement for the most part. A fast run through the Rubicon trail for instance is under 8 hours, which can be done in a Jeep as I have done so several times. No 18 miles in 8 hours isn't fast on the freeway or a road course, but run the Rubicon in that time and tell me it wasn't fast. Most people take at least twice that long for reference. The OP literally stated 50-60mph in the dirt, which can be done in a stock Jeep and yet people are still hung up on it being the wrong vehicle? Laguna seca production lap record is 1m22s for an average speed of 209mph, not fast compared to a top fuel dragster so not fast? That's how dumb the argument of it's the physics of fast, context doesn't matter, etc sounds to me. The Jeep is obviously better in the rocks than any of it's competition, which means it's the fastest production rig in those conditions... which is inherently fast in my opinion. Ultra 4 cars are faster, so it doesn't count? I guess czingers $2.5million hyper car that set that laguna seca record is trash too as the indy car record lap is just 1m and 5 seconds and 17s is an eternity as far as fast laps go?

 

[jeepingib]

I'm confused, was it fast when I drove my Jeep at 70+ on the South Padre Beach?

 

[James Westfall]

Fast isn't just top speed or cornering on a track. That's the disagreement for the most part. A fast run through the Rubicon trail for instance is under 8 hours, which can be done in a Jeep as I have done so several times. No 18 miles in 8 hours isn't fast on the freeway or a road course, but run the Rubicon in that time and tell me it wasn't fast. Most people take at least twice that long for reference. The OP literally stated 50-60mph in the dirt, which can be done in a stock Jeep and yet people are still hung up on it being the wrong vehicle? Laguna seca production lap record is 1m22s for an average speed of 209mph, not fast compared to a top fuel dragster so not fast? That's how dumb the argument of it's the physics of fast, context doesn't matter, etc sounds to me. The Jeep is obviously better in the rocks than any of it's competition, which means it's the fastest production rig in those conditions... which is inherently fast in my opinion. Ultra 4 cars are faster, so it doesn't count? I guess czingers $2.5million hyper car that set that laguna seca record is trash too as the indy car record lap is just 1m and 5 seconds and 17s is an eternity as far as fast laps go?

You are simply modifying the definition of "fast" until it fits the Wrangler. At that point, you are talking about something very different than the rest of us.

You've made it clear what you think. There's no need to take this discussion any further.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Coming from having Gti for years. Trust me we don’t go fast in our jeeps .

Broncos meeeh but still they couldn’t keep up with a simple Gti, they are just not made for that.

Couldn’t be happier with my manual torquish JLU though. I feel like a real man lol. I won’t be able to drive any other car again.

Up until 2023, the gti had the same 0-60 as the v6 Jeep, but it's fast? Faster in the corners obviously, but not so much in dirt and atrocious in the rocks.

 

[Remorseless]

 

[yokramer]

The OP literally stated 50-60mph in the dirt, which can be done in a stock Jeep and yet people are still hung up on it being the wrong vehicle?

50-60 down a dirt road can done in a Forester, or 1989 Cavailer, doesnt make it fast.

 

[entropy]

Some of us drive like grannies. So we are jealous of those who drive fast.

 

[Remorseless]

50-60 down a dirt road can done in a Forester, or 1989 Cavailer, doesnt make it fast.

 

[2nd 392]

There are all types of racing for all types of vehicles. Some with classes from stock to unlimited. Others just highly specialized vehicles. A AA/FD wouldn’t be worth a damn at the mud drags. I just want and have a Jeep that does Jeep things well and is fast enough to be fun on road.
some things

go without saying

 

[Zandcwhite]

You are simply modifying the definition of "fast" until it fits the Wrangler. At that point, you are talking about something very different than the rest of us.

You've made it clear what you think. There's no need to take this discussion any further.

The OP asked about Jeeps going fast off road and y'all brought in muscle cars (that were all slower than some Jeeps), track cars, and even sports cars that are slower than all JLs to try to redifne fast so that the Jeep doesn't fit. Literally faster than every one of those examples off road which was the point of the thread. But I'm redefining things to make the Jeep fit? When I point out the ridiculousness of bringing track cars into the discussion of fast off road by pointing out all cars are slow compared to fighter jets I'm off topic? You guys can't form a coherent or consistent argument to save your lives so yes I'll keep discussing it. Maybe one of you will get it, maybe you won't. Surfaces and context don't matter but planes are a crazy comparison? Trophy trucks are faster so a jeep can't be driven at 60 in the dirt? 6.1s gtis are fast but 4.5s Jeeps aren't? The 6.5s Bronco raptor is better at going fast...slowly?

 

[Johnramboh]

Couldn’t I agree more, a Gti will get destroyed with some gravel lol. In respect to the 0-60… trust me it’s pure trash. You see nowadays brands claiming 1/4 mile times and 0-60 that are delusional. You realize when you go to the track and find out that you car is a sloth .

Sponsored