The "hate" on Jeeps + Speed

[yokramer]

I’m sure someone would disagree, but my JLU doesn’t actually feel like it handles that bad considering what it is. It took some getting used to at first, but after driving it a few months and getting it broken in, it doesn’t seem as poochy as it once did. That being said, when I hop in my truck after driving the Wrangler awhile, it feels like about like a dragster.

And thats the crux of all the arguments here. Its the "for what it is" of it all. Can you hustle a 392 around a track and be on the edge of rolling it? Sure but that doest make a wrangler fast or be something that should be looked at for going fast in that context. Can you bounce a JLU up Chocolate Thunder at 25mph? Sure but that 4400 is sure gonna do it faster. Will a Mojave waddle itself 60+ over some whoops in the Arizona desert? Yea but a TRX or Raptor will do it 100+ smoother. At the end of the day the Wrangler should never be the choice do to anything "fast". Anyone can go ahead and try to make it something to do those things, but its still shouldnt be the first choice.

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[Whaler27]

What happened?

Banned

 

[yokramer]

What happened?

He asked for an account delete

 

[Terrymo]

All the dick measurers in this thread right now

I was thinking this guy probably feels like he’s going pretty fast too. I mean not actually fast but in light of everything fast.

 

[Wbino]

I think of speed with a physics definition. Others are talking about the sensation of speed, or vehicle A is faster than Vehicle B in an identical setting. A debate where both people mean different things is pointless.

A car built for speed will not give the same sensation as a bigger vehicle, because the bigger vehicle will feel like parts are about to fly off.
When I worked if I was lucky enough to get a piece of equipment that was ungoverned 75 MPH would feel like 110 MPH but the same speed in my car would make me yawn.....

 

[BXFXJeep]

And thats the crux of all the arguments here. Its the "for what it is" of it all. Can you hustle a 392 around a track and be on the edge of rolling it? Sure but that doest make a wrangler fast or be something that should be looked at for going fast in that context. Can you bounce a JLU up Chocolate Thunder at 25mph? Sure but that 4400 is sure gonna do it faster. Will a Mojave waddle itself 60+ over some whoops in the Arizona desert? Yea but a TRX or Raptor will do it 100+ smoother. At the end of the day the Wrangler should never be the choice do to anything "fast". Anyone can go ahead and try to make it something to do those things, but its still shouldnt be the first choice.

The 4xe is wondering why it's not being mentioned with it's power, and superior handling.

Want speed and handling look no further than the Wrangler 4xe.

 

[Remorseless]

I was thinking this guy probably feels like he’s going pretty fast too. I mean not actually fast but in light of everything fast.

Enough white claws and he can by laying still thinking he going fast

 

[Ratbert]

What happened?

 

[Wbino]

He asked for an account delete

 

[Terrymo]

Enough white claws and he can by laying still thinking he going fast

Now we are finally are getting down to facts and not opinions

 

[Whaler27]

My state has a formula for what’s legal on road:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/massachusetts/540-CMR-6-05

It’s very likely that a true prerunner would qualify (because it’s so wide) and that a WWII Gen. George Patton GP would also qualify (because it’s so short). But a highly modified, lifted, modern JL might not pass its annual inspection.

Just to answer the OP. It’s not hate, it’s “moment.”

In my state, like I said, 2200 is the magic ratio.

Reason #24,621 not to live there.

Just kidding, kinda. Lots of beautiful places, Boston is now my favorite big city, and I’m a longtime Bruins fan.

 

[AskBin]

Almost all rockbouncers still run solid axles and the IFS rigs have nothing in common with the short arm Honda civic IFS on a Bronco, tacoma, etc. Add 6" to those A arms like a raptor or trx and then it's good. 7" of travel just isn't enough to absorb bumps and jumps in a 5k pound rig. Sure it works in 3k pound rally cars, but they are smooth bottomed and the chassis slapping the ground picks up where the suspension leaves off.

i still think thats more of a durability to cost perspective, same as the dakar trucks. its a good example sure but still a far far cry from a jeeps dana44. rockbouncers are a specalized thing, my point was if someone wants a 'more faster' car for going fast offroad, a jeeps not the place really to start.

my reason for mentioning rally cars was just as an example of somethign designed to go as fast as possible on dirt roads, like OP said they saw people doing with gladiators, not because my lifted subaru was going to keep up with my wrangler.

i know those top end rigs still have next to nothing in common with road cars, but thats similar to saying a wrangler is a bad rock crawler because its too heavy, cant fit 44s, and dosent have rear steer. the engineering behind IFS is just better for speed than a solid axle in most cases, and that theory scales. a 90% stock raptor did compete in the baja years ago...

not saying it cant, just saying theres better options and i think the hate comes from that. why would i get a wrangler to go fast when a raptor will cost me the same and do that job better

 

[4Lo2Yolo]

High speed meaning 80-90 on road, 50-60 offroad.

On December 14th it was snowing hard with 10-12 inches of fresh snow on the ground. I drove 2 and a half hours to Rausch Creek and it was basically deserted due to the weather. There was a dozen jeeps in our group, and we had the entire place to ourselves except for another group of 5. Which gave us an opportunity to use Rausch's high speed course. I have a 2021 392 with 35x12.50's Kenda Klever M/T2 KR629's, a 3 inch AEV lift with their HD springs, and Bilstein 8100 remote reservoirs.

That course was originally built to host a Ford Raptor racing series (pickups). It consists of fine crushed gravel which is graded and has no large rocks. It has multiple small jumps, and a few water bars. I snagged the opportunity to take the lead, and I got to go as fast as I wanted to. 4 hi, traction and stability aids disabled, offroad+ enabled, and exhaust valves open. I had the time of my life flying through the woods at freeway speeds in 10-12 inches of fresh powder, drifting through every turn, and ramping the small jumps at speed. The vehicle and it's suspension never felt uncomposed to me, and the 392 / 8 speed pulls like a runaway freight train.

I'm no professional driver. I've been driving cars/trucks/bikes, and operating heavy equipment for 4+ decades. I've drag raced cars and bikes, done my share of motorcycle road racing track days, and ridden enduro and motocross. I was pushing my comfort zone around that course, but that jeep had a lot more left for someone with more skill and bigger balls.

With the current suspension and aired up to 34 psi, it is stable on a deserted offramp to the point that you can work the edge of traction by listening to the tires. In that situation, you can be cautiously aggressive with the throttle but you MUST be smooth. You can predictably modulate traction with your right foot or the steering wheel in that situation. There isn't much body roll or weight transfer if you are smooth.

Of all the vehicles I've owned, this one is my favorite by far. It's like a 60's muscle car that I can do blue and black trails in. On road, or off road, it's a blast.

Pre-runners though, are a bit of a different animal. They tend to exploit a longer wheelbase and independent front suspension for increased stability on whoops and jumps. My boss owned a 1st gen Raptor with 6.2L, now he owns a 2025 Raptor. Both of those vehicles are substantially more stable at high speeds on rough or undulating terrain.

Rally-cross favors a low center of gravity and you could build a low cog jeep, but it would still be heavier than desirable with a lot more un-sprung mass. On the other hand,

 

[Remorseless]

 

[Sean L]

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