Targeting a 24 Willys 4xE. Massive discount.

[BXFXJeep]

Massive discount, but unless you live in a warm climate and have the commute/lifestyle that fits the super short ev range, I would pass. If you have to, I would lease.

They moved LOTS of 4xe's up here recently with massive discounts as well. Heck a local dealer has 8 392s with 30-40% off MSRP. Keep in mind the MRSP of the 392 in Canada is super high to start with.

Warm climate is more mythology than reality, sure when the temperature drops you can lose a bit of range, I live in Toronto which tends to be a bit colder than OP NY, I run electric most of the time.

If you are scraping by with 21 mile range round trip then you will have an issue, if 21 mile is sufficient there isn't an issue.

As for resale people are being unrealistic, if people have been paying $40K on a $60K MSRP 4xe and expect to get $40K+ resale based on MSRP they are delusional.

What I'm seeing is people who are talking about mostly about resale, are people that leased and are pissed they cannot flip these 4xe off lease for a nice profit, or people that wanna dump one within a couple of years.

It seems the leasing companies have structured the lease so people don't walk away with thousands of dollars in equity at the end of the lease, and more to keep them pumping more money into leases.

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[mcgusto]

I considered a 4xe many times based on the incentives. I looked at the situation as a lose/lose proposition.

If you buy, you risk unexpected depreciation.
If you lease, you're stuck a vehicle that you may potentially grow to hate (e.g. anecdotal reliability concerns).

Warranty or not, it still sucks to have to deal with service appointments.

 

[H2O_Doc]

I have a 23 Rubicon 4xe. I had a problem very early on but it’s been flawless since then. I’ve had many Jeeps over the years and have off-roaded them for both work and pleasure and use my 4xe no differently. Zero regrets with my purchase albeit I might be displeased if and when I trade it in.

A significant source of criticism directed at the 4xe is not based on reason, but based on emotion arising from group identity. Keep that in mind.

 

[DNAer]

Wow! I got $15,000 off my new 2023 diesel Rubicon last month and I thought that was a good deal. Nice find!

 

[TXSquid78]

OP, i would look at leasing. Love my 4xe, beem flawless over the last year. However, with the steep loss in value along with early battery tech, I wouldn't buy. I know that vehicles don't hold their value, but if I absolutely needed to sell for whatever reason, I would like to know that I can get a better deal. Glad I did lease so I can hand the keys back and get a gas model until battery tech becomes better.

 

[BXFXJeep]

OP, i would look at leasing. Love my 4xe, beem flawless over the last year. However, with the steep loss in value along with early battery tech, I wouldn't buy. I know that vehicles don't hold their value, but if I absolutely needed to sell for whatever reason, I would like to know that I can get a better deal. Glad I did lease so I can hand the keys back and get a gas model until battery tech becomes better.

Doesn't better battery tech really mean just swapping out the battery if you so choose, and that is even if you need better battery tech in the first place.

From what I'm seeing steep loss in value is across all 3.6/2.0T/4xe JLs, with the 4xe probably being a better deal since the out the door price is significantly better than the others.

 

[alphawolff]

A significant source of criticism directed at the 4xe is not based on reason, but based on emotion arising from group identity. Keep that in mind.

I'm glad you've had a relatively issue free experience. Only one issue in a year is pretty good. I'll keep that in mind as I'm replacing my third 4XE coolant heater today. I'll be sure to tell the owner of the GC 4XE upstairs that's been here since October for a service hybrid system issue with zero DTCs that they're not usually this difficult.


Sarcasm aside the 4XE is the most unreliable wrangler put into production in decades. It's not just one issue with these vehicles, it's bumper to bumper. You can put 10 different failures on a dart board and you'll certainly experience at least one before your ownership is over. In reality you're lucky if it gets less than three check engine lights a year.

Nobody should be outright purchasing these vehicles unless time down is not a concern for them (i.e. second vehicle). I say this as someone who makes absolute bank repairing them on a daily basis. If you can lease one for cheap, go for it, but don't expect a premium trouble-free vehicle. Having to return for service on brand new vehicle for a CEL in the first 18 months is frankly unacceptable, let alone having to return over and over again. Fuck, I've seen them not even make it the home from the dealership without throwing lights.

There's a damn good reason lease deals are insane on these. It's the only way to move them off lots.

 

[Maxpwns]

Thanks for all the replies. I think at this point I’ll just end up passing. Seems like it’s just more trouble than it’s worth from most of the peer studies.

 

[H2O_Doc]

Yep. That I have had an OK experience doesn’t change the fact that Jeep maybe was too quick to put these things on the market. I bought knowing that there is logically an inherently greater likelihood of problems precisely because of the fact that you have two motors. That, on top of Jeeps consistent general shitiness, has made for some horror stories.

And despite Jeeps comparative struggles to meet or possible even exceed Soviet engineering and manufacturing standards, I keep coming back because they’re still fun at the end of the day.

 

[alphawolff]

Yep. That I have had an OK experience doesn’t change the fact that Jeep maybe was too quick to put these things on the market. I bought knowing that there is logically an inherently greater likelihood of problems precisely because of the fact that you have two motors. That, on top of Jeeps consistent general shitiness, has made for some horror stories.

And despite Jeeps comparative struggles to meet or possible even exceed Soviet engineering and manufacturing standards, I keep coming back because they’re still fun at the end of the day.

Yup, if you go into knowing it might be a rocky relationship there's less room for surprises. The cheap prices are enticing for sure

 

[BXFXJeep]

There's a damn good reason lease deals are insane on these. It's the only way to move them off lots.

The lease deals are insane because it's cheaper for Stellantis to sell these EVs for less money, than it is for Stellantis to keep paying the government massive emission penalties on the entire gas guzzling fleet.

At the end of the lease Stellantis is still holding on to value they can turn around and sell for real money, where as the customer has nothing to show for their $20K+, win win for Stellantis .

 

[TXSquid78]

Doesn't better battery tech really mean just swapping out the battery if you so choose, and that is even if you need better battery tech in the first place.

From what I'm seeing steep loss in value is across all 3.6/2.0T/4xe JLs, with the 4xe probably being a better deal since the out the door price is significantly better than the others.

Is there a better battery to swap out with? To my knowledge, all 4xe HV batteries still only get 25ish miles to the charge. To your point about the prices, even though it's KBB and I don't use it as the end all, be all of pricing, a gas model with my specs still prices in 4-6k more.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Is there a better battery to swap out with? To my knowledge, all 4xe HV batteries still only get 25ish miles to the charge. To your point about the prices, even though it's KBB and I don't use it as the end all, be all of pricing, a gas model with my specs still prices in 4-6k more.

Is there newer battery tech currently that would get more than the current range? I'm talking years down the road if better battery tech happen to materialize, and also if more range even matter to the individual, currently if I can get more range it will make no difference to me, more range only really matters to people that may want a 4xe, but the current range isn't suitable.

Compared to the 3.6/2.0T, the 4xe would have been purchased at a significantly deeper discount, then the $7,500 extra on top of that, people are always whining they cannot get 4xe like discounts on the gasers. Other whiners are people that paid $20k off MSRP, but want closer to MSRP resale value.

Roughly looking at places like CarMax and Carvana, prices all seem similar for the 3.6/2.0T/4xe, in the big scheme of things many options are hit or miss.

 

[H2O_Doc]

Looking at comps at Carmax, my 4xe would be priced right at ~$45k. I paid $53k (after EV tax deduction) and it will soon be two years old. Not as bad as I might have imagined. Of course, for a Wrangler, that might be a steep decline (dunno).

 

[Deleted User 38384]

I'm no stranger to jeeps. We have a gladiator but had to sell our Rubicon last year due to financial hardships. Currently working with a dealer who is offering some wild discounts. Looks like a pretty well loaded Willys 4XE. MSRP of close to 65k down to $36k OTD. AM I missing anything here? Seems like they a bunch sitting and want to move them off the lot.

Think I can squeeze some more out of them or take it and run or RUN. We currently have a tesla and a small commute to work so Im looking to capitalize on the short distance Electric.

More than likely it was a lemon law buyback. And the dealership is just trying to get rid of it at this point.

And then after you buy it, your problem!

That price tag though, makes me wonder if it wouldn't make a good parts vehicle? Part it out, I wonder if you couldn't get $50,000 over 5 years?

On the flip side, how many miles does it have on it? Just cuz they're selling it as if it's new, doesn't mean it wasn't lemon lawed out with under a thousand miles on it.

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