Sway bar will not reconnect

[entropy]

Your plan sounds very rational to me. Manual disconnecting with the JKS is a piece of cake of you keep them properly greased.

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[Dyolfknip74]

The reality is that even with the factory disconnect, you’re still limiting travel unless you have something like the RK no-limits links. Until I got those I still manually disconnected my rubicon at the trail head because I wanted maximum articulation.

Sure about that? Start at around 3:00.





The difference in articulation between edisco, undoing links and Currie Anti Rock is negligible at best. I highly doubt there is anyone that would even be able to notice the difference in articulation.

Shit. Just realised this is an old post I resurrected. Sorry.

 

[word302]

Sure about that? Start at around 3:00.





The difference in articulation between edisco, undoing links and Currie Anti Rock is negligible at best. I highly doubt there is anyone that would even be able to notice the difference in articulation.

Shit. Just realised this Inan old post resurrected. Sorry.

We were talking about disconnecting vs the factory electronic disconnect.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

We were talking about disconnecting vs the factory electronic disconnect.

Yes, and that's addressed starting around 3:00 in. Tested with e disco and just by disconnecting end links (same as disconnecting a sport). No difference.

 

[Headbarcode]

Sure about that? Start at around 3:00.





The difference in articulation between edisco, undoing links and Currie Anti Rock is negligible at best. I highly doubt there is anyone that would even be able to notice the difference in articulation.

Shit. Just realised this Inan old post resurrected. Sorry.

Word302 was spot on with what he said. The Rock Krawler No Limits links are the only ones that don't limit extreme articulation with the edisconnect disconnected. Normal rubber bushing links will limit articulation on the Rubicon, because the edisconnect system isn't designed for very flexible lifts. Anything that flexes more than the stock suspension or the mopar lift setup will be limited by the amount of misalignment of the links.

In that video, the Step Child has the Rock Krawler long arm lift and the No Limits links. Like word said, they are the only links that don't limit flex on lifts with a lot of articulation.

Kevin was simply mistaken when he mentioned a "possible rubber bushing in the edisconnect motor that limits flex". It's the rubber bushings on regular links that limits flex.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

Word302 was spot on with what he said. The Rock Krawler No Limits links are the only ones that don't limit extreme articulation with the edisconnect disconnected. Normal rubber bushing links will limit articulation on the Rubicon, because the edisconnect system isn't designed for very flexible lifts. Anything that flexes more than the stock suspension or the mopar lift setup will be limited by the amount of misalignment of the links.

In that video, the Step Child has the Rock Krawler long arm lift and the No Limits links. Like word said, they are the only links that don't limit flex on lifts with a lot of articulation.

Kevin was simply mistaken when he mentioned a "possible rubber bushing in the edisconnect motor that limits flex". It's the rubber bushings on regular links that limits flex.

I would still like to see actual numbers though. I bet there really isn't that much difference between edisco disconnected and undoing links on basically any lift.
Don't get me wrong, if you're going for max flex and just want to clean up the front, get rid of the massive motor and add whatever, for sure but the guy earlier that said he was still disconnecting links on his Rubicon because it flexes more like that is wasting his time. Ass in seat, very few offroaders are going to notice even 2" or 3" of "flex" added to a line.

 

[c20040215]

I would still like to see actual numbers though. I bet there really isn't that much difference between edisco disconnected and undoing links on basically any lift.
Don't get me wrong, if you're going for max flex and just want to clean up the front, get rid of the massive motor and add whatever, for sure but the guy earlier that said he was still disconnecting links on his Rubicon because it flexes more like that is wasting his time. Ass in seat, very few offroaders are going to notice even 2" or 3" of "flex" added to a line.

Are you really taking his word seriously? Like.. seriously dude?

 

[Dyolfknip74]

Are you really taking his word seriously? Like.. seriously dude?

Whose word?

 

[Roky]

I did a comparison last year for my own curiosity…….. I know for a fact that with the heim joint links there is almost no difference, like a quarter inch, in e-discoed and un hooked. I’m not sure how much difference there is in say MC links, you know the 3 footers that come with the 3.5”GC, lol. I’d like to see a MC dude do a comparison. I can tell you that there’s a ton of misalignment when at max flex………

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e-disco

unhooked

Misalignment

 

[Yellow Cake Kid]

A couple things:

1) There is more than one vendor that sells adjustable length sway bar links equipped with Heim joints.

2) There is no limit to the use of Heim joints that prevents their wide spread use in sway bar applications. Heim joints are not uncommon; you can buy Heim joint forgings for a few dollars a piece in the farm implements (ruarl to suburban translation = lawn mower aisle) section of our local hardware store.

3) There is at least one Jeep suspension vendor who collects data by towing a Corner Travel Index trailer all around the country to test the flex capabilities of thousands of Jeep configurations in a public exhibition, and they have not been persuaded that there is a potential for increased axle travel that can only be provided by a Heim joint.

 

[Roky]

A couple things:

1) There is more than one vendor that sells adjustable length sway bar links equipped with Heim joints.

2) There is no limit to the use of Heim joints that prevents their wide spread use in sway bar applications. Heim joints are not uncommon; you can buy Heim joint forgings for a few dollars a piece in the farm implements (ruarl to suburban translation = lawn mower aisle) section of our local hardware store.

3) There is at least one Jeep suspension vendor who collects data by towing a Corner Travel Index trailer all around the country to test the flex capabilities of thousands of Jeep configurations in a public exhibition, and they have not been persuaded that there is a potential for increased axle travel that can only be provided by a Heim joint.

That’s 3 things……but who’s counting…..?

 

[Headbarcode]

I would still like to see actual numbers though. I bet there really isn't that much difference between edisco disconnected and undoing links on basically any lift.
Don't get me wrong, if you're going for max flex and just want to clean up the front, get rid of the massive motor and add whatever, for sure but the guy earlier that said he was still disconnecting links on his Rubicon because it flexes more like that is wasting his time. Ass in seat, very few offroaders are going to notice even 2" or 3" of "flex" added to a line.

Metalcloak and Rock Krawler lifts offer the highest amount of axle articulation, for a bolt on setup. They are also very commonly used in this forum and the rest of the Jeep community in general. The amount of flex seen by these lifts will easily out perform the Rubicon edisconnects sway system, because the bar may be split in the middle, but the 2 halves are still hard mount to the frame and regular link bushings will not provide the necessary amount of misalignment. This becomes the limiting factor of downtravel, which is where the No Limits links come into play. Their heim joints on both ends allows the link to angle inward/outward of the sway bar halfs fixed arch of travel, as a wheel goes from full stuff to full droop.

I have the 3.5" Metalcloak Gamechanger and easily saw a few inches of added wheel travel after switching to the No Limits links. Others have had their standard links pop off, leaving one of the bushings and its mounting bolt behind because it couldn't handle being pulled too far from the working arch of the electrically disconnected sway bar.

That video clearly proves word302's original point, that the No Limits links allow as free of motion as a manual disconnect. A disconnected Sport or Sahara has more potential articulation than an edisconnected Rubicon with standard rubber bushing links. The latter is a luxury item designed around mopar suspension setups that don't flex as much as certain commonly used aftermarket kits.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

Metalcloak and Rock Krawler lifts offer the highest amount of axle articulation, for a bolt on setup. They are also very commonly used in this forum and the rest of the Jeep community in general. The amount of flex seen by these lifts will easily out perform the Rubicon edisconnects sway system, because the bar may be split in the middle, but the 2 halves are still hard mount to the frame and regular link bushings will not provide the necessary amount of misalignment. This becomes the limiting factor of downtravel, which is where the No Limits links come into play. Their heim joints on both ends allows the link to angle inward/outward of the sway bar halfs fixed arch of travel, as a wheel goes from full stuff to full droop.

I have the 3.5" Metalcloak Gamechanger and easily saw a few inches of added wheel travel after switching to the No Limits links. Others have had their standard links pop off, leaving one of the bushings and its mounting bolt behind because it couldn't handle being pulled too far from the working arch of the electrically disconnected sway bar.

That video clearly proves word302's original point, that the No Limits links allow as free of motion as a manual disconnect. A disconnected Sport or Sahara has more potential articulation than an edisconnected Rubicon with standard rubber bushing links. The latter is a luxury item designed around mopar suspension setups that don't flex as much as certain commonly used aftermarket kits.

Excellent explanation short of drawing a crayon picture for me.
Appreciated.

I think I confused the topic though. I was just saying if you edisconnect vs actually removing swaybar links, the difference is negligible. Moreso directed at the guy who has a Rubicon saying he would rather disconnect swaybar physically than electronically.
Granted I don't know what links he has or whatever, I just think that would be a waste of time for the average wheeler.

 

[word302]

Excellent explanation short of drawing a crayon picture for me.
Appreciated.

I think I confused the topic though. I was just saying if you edisconnect vs actually removing swaybar links, the difference is negligible. Moreso directed at the guy who has a Rubicon saying he would rather disconnect swaybar physically than electronically.
Granted I don't know what links he has or whatever, I just think that would be a waste of time for the average wheeler.

But that’s the same difference in articulation that we’re talking about here. Like @Headbarcode said it’s at least a few inches difference. I used to manually disconnect my rubicon because it did in fact make a big difference. Now that I have the no limits sway links I get the same amount of down travel as I did when manually disconnecting.

 

[word302]

Just realize the amount of down-travel you gain is dependent on your lift/shock combination.

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