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Anyone run true winter / snow tires on their Jeep during the winter months? And do you do any trail riding at that time? How are winter tires on the trail?
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Like blizzaks? I'd think you'd have a hard time with tread clearing any mud/muck.
 

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I run Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3s during winter. Far superior traction on-road when temps are below 45F. Great traction off-road as well but you do want truly frozen snow/ice winter conditions, not shoulder "mud season" (which MTs will handle much better).
 
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Yea, I'm thinking snow tires for use on snow covered trails, not early spring mud. I wonder about sidewall durability (rocks) and performance on frozen dirt and/or cold rocks.
 

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Yea, I'm thinking snow tires for use on snow covered trails, not early spring mud. I wonder about sidewall durability (rocks) and performance on frozen dirt and/or cold rocks.
The sidewalls are fiber reinforced and tough but I do find rocks are less of an issue in winter conditions. Two winters and my sidewalls still look like new.

The Hakkas are really good on frozen dirt & rocks. They excel on ice, both studded and non-studded. The tread compound has embedded glass micro crystals that act like thousands of tiny studs. It's so grippy I'd say only get studded if you primarily drive on frozen hardpack snow or thick ice because studs will decrease traction on dry rocks.
 

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Here's an actual off-road review of the Hakkas. I agree with it (even if they're not in a Jeep).
 

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Like blizzaks? I'd think you'd have a hard time with tread clearing any mud/muck.
Blizzaks don't come in proper Jeep sizes. Even if they did they would wear very quickly under 4WD use. It's a very soft tire.
 

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Blizzaks don't come in proper Jeep sizes. Even if they did they would wear very quickly under 4WD use. It's a very soft tire.
Was just the first name that came to mind, been a while since I was in a cold enough climate to even consider winters that bad.
 

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I have run winter blizzaks on my 2020 Ram 1500 while hunting on some pretty rocky roads with no damage to them. They are soft and I was concerned but it seems they do fine. They didn't have much trouble when in some melted mud either. I would still trust a regular all-terrain or mud tire over them for durability. As far as wear, they surprise me how much they don't wear. Been running them (not the same set ;)) every winter for over 15 years on our two vehicles. I now have a 2018 Wrangler Rubicon that I will not put winter tires on because the truck does much better on the road in snow. The all-terrains on the jeep do have the mountain snowflake symbol but I know they are not as good in snow as the blizzaks.
 

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The tires I run on my Jeep are aggressive AT tires (GY Duratrac, Mickey Thompson BB AT, etc.) They are decent enough in the snow to not need dedicated snow tires. And they're great on the trails. Hell, even BFG ATs are good enough.
 

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I run Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3s during winter. Far superior traction on-road when temps are below 45F. Great traction off-road as well but you do want truly frozen snow/ice winter conditions, not shoulder "mud season" (which MTs will handle much better).
I've run Nokian LT3's (studded) for a couple of winters now. They're great on the trails with powder snow or ice. We have alot of black ice on the roads and these tires have worked flawlessly.
 

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I have run winter blizzaks on my 2020 Ram 1500 while hunting on some pretty rocky roads with no damage to them. They are soft and I was concerned but it seems they do fine. They didn't have much trouble when in some melted mud either. I would still trust a regular all-terrain or mud tire over them for durability. As far as wear, they surprise me how much they don't wear. Been running them (not the same set ;)) every winter for over 15 years on our two vehicles. I now have a 2018 Wrangler Rubicon that I will not put winter tires on because the truck does much better on the road in snow. The all-terrains on the jeep do have the mountain snowflake symbol but I know they are not as good in snow as the blizzaks.
I have the same question as the OP. If you were to put true winter tires on your Rubicon (e.g. blizzak), would you consider a larger wheel (20 inch for example), in order to get a 35 inch blizzak on?
 

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Ice tires are not compatible with heavy snow. So the Blizzak and Nokian will perform poorly on the heavy snow trail. If you are not in compromise this is a situation where you need to chose between ice or snow. I run Nokian here as I'm way more afraid of ice than heavy snow. If you want absolute snow go for mud tire with the tree mountain peak and snow icon, example would be the open country A/T, they are not that bad on ice and are having the required thread for snow and mud.
 
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I have the same question as the OP. If you were to put true winter tires on your Rubicon (e.g. blizzak), would you consider a larger wheel (20 inch for example), in order to get a 35 inch blizzak on?
I have them on 20” wheels on my Ram 1500 but they are stock size which is around 32”. That part I don’t like because rocks sometimes flip up and hit the rims. I’m not aware of any other blizzak sizes. The current tires on my 2018 Wrangler Rubicon 2-door are 33” Falken Rubitrek p-metric on stock 17” wheels. They have the mountain snowflake on them and do fine in “all terrain” so I will not be putting winter blizzaks on it. As far as 20” wheels, there is a huge difference in air-down capability with those so I will never place them on the jeep even with larger tires.
I saw another mention heavy snow, I live in a snowbelt, heavy snow every winter. The blizzaks perform in all snow and ice. I previously had an AWD charger with blizzaks and stopped at a stoplight where a lifted 4wd truck with mud tires pulled up behind then moved to the other lane thinking he was going to pass me. I left him spinning at the stoplight after taking off on green. This was in heavy snow and that charger performed better than the ram 1500 I also had at that time, also with blizzaks. Also drove my truck in heavy unplowed back road/trail mountain snow, my summer tire was BFG AT and I preferred the blizzak over them for that.
 

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I live in a part of town with lots of hills and crappy winter road maintenance. My biggest concern is ice as the snow melts and refreezes overnight. It's always dicey in the morning making it down the hill to get to work. That's why I'm mostly trying to figure out how to get xice or blizzaks on. I have 33s now and plan on a small lift to 35s.
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